Certificate of Live Birth Time Stamp Revealed

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[Mach9]

Again, it’s the Albright problem, which is also the liberal/PC problem. Race-designations used to be very easy: Caucasion, Negroid, Mongoloid. Hawaii, and perhaps the rest of the PC USA, got just about everything wrong. Only two of the race-designations offered were anywhere near the mark: “white,” and “negro/negroid” (although the natural sequitur would have been “black”). The rest (Chinese, American Indian, etc.) are not RACES; they’re nationalities or ethnicities.

[TigersEye]

I've read somewhere that there exists copies where the certificate ID number ISN'T blacked out,...

I think I have seen that but I don't know where it is posted.

... and it isn't even close to the numbers that the Nordyke twins have on theirs.

I have heard good explanations for that. The hospitals turn their info over to the HDOH and they process the forms as they come in. They don't necessarily come in at the same time or get processed in the exact order they come in. We are talking about gov bureaucrats after all.

BTW, who ARE the Nordyke twins? Are they secret republican operatives?

I have no idea.

And why didn't they get the same 2007 looking document like Obama?

I believe they got their LFBCs not a COLB. They would not look alike.

And that Hawaii claims is the ONLY one you are "allowed" to get?

That is a very recent change the HDOH has made.

[matthew fuller]

I would like to “plant a seed” here- I wonder what would happen if someone, say a server at a meal attended by Buckwheat, were to latch onto a glass that was used by our miracle mulatto, and retrieve his fingerprints and then run them through AFIS? Wonder whose name would come back?

[TigersEye]

You’re off topic as usual, troll.

[little jeremiah]

He ain’t off the hook; he’ll never be off the hook. He signed up for FR on the hook.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

Ignoring an unconstitutionally eligibile (and maybe not even a US citizen at all) candidate and his terrorist/hate whitey/muslim/thug/homo/drug use associates is the very reason McCain lost and Zero one.

Do you honestly think no one outside of FR knew about Wright or his other associates. Everyone knew, most just didn't care.

I notice your signup date is right before the 2008 election. Coincidence?

So what?

[TigersEye]

American blacks were called Negroes before they were called African-American, but Africans could have been called African.

That doesn't seem likely when the government has official standards for filling out and filing documents.

``The 1970 census racial categories included: Chinese, Filipino, Hawaiian, Indian American, Japanese, Negro or Black, other, White, Hispanic origin of any race, and White, not of Hispanic origin.``

``The 1980 census racial categories included Aleut, Asian Indian, Black or Negro, Chinese, Filipino, Eskimo, Guamanian, Hawaiian, Indian American, Japanese, Korean, other, Samoan, Vietnamese, White, Hispanic origin of any race, and White, not of Hispanic origin.`` http://www.understandingrace.org/history/gov/begin_end_affirm.html

[edge919]

That's the Hawaii privacy law. However, Chiyome Fukino recently claimed to have examined the actual long form twice and that everything is on the up and up, that the facts match what the CoLB says, and that the doubts are silly.

This is false. She did't say the facts match what the COLB says or that everything is on the up and up. You're connecting dots she never connected.

[TigersEye]

Unlike the infamous TANG letter, Obama's CoLB does not claim to be an original document.

It is supposed to be an official document though and by law must reflect exactly what is on the original document.

The way to tell if it's valid is to ask the State of Hawaii if those are true facts (hard to do because of their privacy law).

It is not against the law for them to confirm that they issued the COLB and they have been asked that and they have refused to confirm it.

[TigersEye]

Who knows what set of descriptions exist in the race table?

See post #86. There are official standards set by the government that aren't supposed to be arbitrarily changed.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Africa is the COUNTRY of her birth

Africa is not a country. It's a continent.

[TigersEye]

Other nations use the term "African" as a race.

Can you show us a document of any kind from any era that shows that? It makes no sense. There are numerous races in Africa by the millions. It should be easy to find some document somewhere that has "African" used for race if it ever was.

[edge919]

BHO, Sr was not a typical American black. Nor was Hawaii a typical American state with respect to race relations in 1961. BHO, Sr was in fact a minor local celebrity because of his novelty. His graduation from UH merited its own article in the Honolulu Advertiser:

I have no trouble believing he could have been listed as African on the original long form.

A couple of problems with this story. This is after Obama was born, so it doesn't specifically reflect how Barak Sr. would have thought of himself racially, especially when the baby was born. Second, it's referring to him as African in a geographical sense, not as a race. Third, he talks about being involved in the community but fails to mention starting a family in Hawaii. Fourth, it contradicts the timeline by saying he's been away from Kenya for seven years. The story said he lived in St. Louis Heights, which is not the address in the birth announcements. Yes, it's possible he thought of himself as an African, but it's even more likely that somebody else listed the racial classification FOR him. Another story from the same time period used Kenyan in the headline, so we don't really know how he identified himself.

[fightinJAG]

Oh, I agree. I was just sayin’.

[fightinJAG]

I’m not pursuing it. I just like jumping on the threads for the lively discussion and I really enjoy talking about the Constitution from time to time.

There ya go!

[little jeremiah]

Everyone knew? You’re a liar. The media were and are the dems’ purse dogs and McInsane threw the election.

A lot of dem operative trolls signed up on FR right about that time, that’s why.

[BuckeyeTexan]

“Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that ‘we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.’ “

http://obamatrueandfalse.com/2009/07/30/false-obamas-fathers-race-would-have-been-reported-as-negro-in-1961/

At the above-referenced site, there is a 1973 Hawaiian COLB where the father’s race is listed as “American” and the mother’s as “Hawaiian.” There is also a link to the 1962 instructions for the Kenyan census. Kenyans were instructed to identify their race as “Write European, Arab, Somali, or African, etc. Asians must write Indian or Pakistan.”

I have never researched the issue of “African” being unacceptable or improper for the race on the birth certificate. It took me all of ten minutes to find the above information. Seems to me like this question could have been resolved two years ago if birthers actually cared to find out the truth instead of thumping chests about how it was impossble.

[Sto Zvirat]

LOL, once a kook, always a kook.

[cynwoody]

as evidenced by just one measure in that he's forked over something in the range of $2M to keep his BC from becoming public.

I looked into that claim back when it first surfaced. It's birfer guano.

[TigersEye]

LOL, once a kook, always a kook.

No doubt. You have to be the most neurotic person I've ever encountered online or off. Apparently the forum rules mean nothing to you either. Stalking for one and dragging a discussion from one thread onto another. From five months ago no less. From a discussion you never even contributed to.

Interesting that you picked this thread to disrupt with your obsessive-compulsive behavior.