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NATO Says It Cannot Stop Shelling Of Libyan City
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 19 April 2011 | Karin Laub & Maggie Michael

Posted on 04/19/2011 11:03:36 AM PDT by edpc

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To: Uncle Miltie

What´s wrong with letting islamists kill islamists? Too much practice?


41 posted on 04/19/2011 12:34:18 PM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: indylindy

I sit by the TV with channel changer in hand and ready to strike at a moments notice. Whey I hear that idiots name or see a video of him, I immediately go to an alternative channel. Only way to watch TV until at least Jan. 2013.


42 posted on 04/19/2011 12:34:53 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: wheresmyusa

Artillery covers everything from mortars to rail guns. The smaller, self propelled guns and rocket launchers can shoot and scoot. Hide an a small building or a clump of trees. A favorite trick is to put them in the street next to a school or hospital, makes great news footage to have dead kids as collateral damage on the evening news. Israel is all but powerless to stop the mobile launchers that plague them.

These aren’t fixed arty positions that are easily spotted. If the jetjockeys get too trigger happy, you end up hitting friendlies as well as bad guys, saw that several times a couple weeks ago.


43 posted on 04/19/2011 12:35:51 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Mr. Wright

LOL, my hubby won’t even watch the news anymore for fear he won’t hit the remote quick enough.

My 80 year old father doesn’t want O’s name, whatever it really is, mentioned at family gatherings. Said he didn’t fight in a war to have communists take over anyway.


44 posted on 04/19/2011 12:39:04 PM PDT by dforest
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To: grobdriver
[What - counter-battery fire doesn’t work anymore?]

It works if you have the means to fix the exact coordinates of the enemy batteries, some of which are probably self-propelled and can be rapidly repositioned. Then you need weapons that can reach the target and destroy it. I'm just guessing but it seems they could try infiltrating Ghadaffi’s line at night with small teams of saboteurs to kill the gun crews and destroy the artillery and launchers.

45 posted on 04/19/2011 12:41:18 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: wrench

Point taken. I automatically think of big guns when someone says artillery. I guess we have no Apache gunships in theater, as we’ve gotten pretty good at tagging “shoot and scoot”-ers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bring on some Hellfire!


46 posted on 04/19/2011 12:41:39 PM PDT by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

France and Britain were pushing this not Urkel. He dithered and delayed doing anything until it was too late. He did not want this sideshow but was not strong enough to say “no”.


47 posted on 04/19/2011 1:27:22 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: org.whodat

Dumbest War Ever.


48 posted on 04/19/2011 1:29:32 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: edpc
NATO Says It Cannot Stop Shelling Of Libyan City

Kinda like pistachios.

49 posted on 04/19/2011 1:30:16 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: P.O.E.

Bet you can’t shell just one.


50 posted on 04/19/2011 1:39:42 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: wheresmyusa

When your ROEs are so complex that you can forget about any air to ground operations and are mostly confined to air-to-air.


51 posted on 04/19/2011 1:45:49 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: arrogantsob
Obama sucked them in with a reckless dash to war that had no vital interest to the US nor consultations with the US congress.

There was nothing the West was going to win from the air regardless of what day Gaddafi was on the move.

The ones still stuck there trying to win it while Obama golfs are the suckers.

No planning, no vital interest, no consultations, only a mad rush to war and then suckering our allies by leaving as quick as he came in.

52 posted on 04/19/2011 1:47:58 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Whether they want to admit it or not, everyone knows Obama is hiding his bc.)
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To: wheresmyusa; no-to-illegals; All

In Misrata Qs troops have brought the artillery into the city thus risking civilians. They also are using a large number of snipers. These snipers kill anyone they see on the street including women and children. Large numbers of victims with head and shoulder wounds are reported at hospitals. I heard that they have female Serbian mercenary snipers. What is it with Q and his female warriors? Perhaps the Brits can smuggle in a cadre of sniper hunters to even the odds.

Secondly, it is hard to have air superiority over a battlespace covered by a sandstorm. Qs troops have used a sandstorm to cover their reassault on Ajdabia.


53 posted on 04/19/2011 2:12:33 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: arrogantsob
France and Britain were pushing this not Urkel. He dithered and delayed doing anything until it was too late. He did not want this sideshow but was not strong enough to say “no”.

A fact lost on many here, I'm afraid. This is, literally a 'blood for oil' war, with the recipient of said oil being the EU, so nothing is said about it...

the infowarrior

54 posted on 04/19/2011 2:18:24 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Brad from Tennessee; wrench; All

Infiltrating Qs lines at night with small teams of saboteurs requires those small teams of saboteurs to be both armed and trained on how to use explosives and supplied with them. Doubt there were many in Misrate with either. Perhaps this is what the British have in mind. It would make sense.


55 posted on 04/19/2011 2:19:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

It would be very easy to starve Qadaffi’s forces by cutting off their supply lines, but that would require boots on the ground. The Libyan army is stretched for 100s of kilometers along the coast and wouldn’t survive a week if they were cut off from resupply of munitions.


56 posted on 04/19/2011 2:20:35 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: Berlin_Freeper; All

Obama didn’t have to suck allies like France and Britain into this. They use a lot more Libyan oil than we do, and their gas prices are a lot higher than ours. Also, we have been subsidizing European military for years and it is about time they paid for their own war. I’m glad he put his foot down, if in fact that is what happened.


57 posted on 04/19/2011 2:21:54 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: littleharbour; All

This fight would be very different if we could insert troops on the ground, either between Sirte and Misrata to help Misrata, and reduce supplies to Sirte; or between Sirte and Ras Lanuf to engage Qs troops headed to Ajdabia and/or cut off resupply. Meanwhile, I wonder what is being done at sea to cut off supplies of both food and guns to Qs people and to resupply Misrata and the East? Ultimately, the British and French may decide to turn this into a tank battle. I know the British Centurion tanks were with our M1Abrams in Gulf War I because my son was there with the 82nd Airborne and Sheridan air mobile tanks.


58 posted on 04/19/2011 2:32:35 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Obama sucked them in with a reckless dash to war that had no vital interest to the US

Sure it does. Ridding them of a relatively contained dictator in favor of a radical, terrorism-exporting government is all part of his plan to knock the arrogant USA down several pegs.

59 posted on 04/19/2011 2:37:07 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: gleeaikin

Situation FUBAR, understood.


60 posted on 04/19/2011 3:14:08 PM PDT by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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