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To: CodeToad

RE: If a person is a citizen at birth they are a natural born citizens. There ar eno other definitions. You trying to claim a child must have two American only parents is hogwash and is just you redefining the term.


You can call it hogwash all you want, it might be that YOUR interpretation is hogwash, not mine.

Many who take the constitution seriously believe there is a REASON behind why the term NATURAL BORN was used.

On June 18, 1787 Alexander Hamilton submitted a draft version of the US Constitution where he suggested the following qualification for President:

“No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.”

To be “born a Citizen of the United States” means to be a native-born citizen, for the definition of native-born is “of a specified place by birth”. Here, “place” means the United States.

Five weeks later, on July 25, 1787, in response to Hamilton’s suggestion, John Jay wrote the following to George Washington at the time of the Constitutional Convention:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

Now HERE IS THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE -— Neither Hamilton’s language (born a Citizen of the US) nor the term native-born citizen appear in Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;…”

Instead, what appears in the Constitution is the term NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, which came from John Jay’s letter.

The Founding Fathers rejected Hamilton’s suggestion and chose John Jay’s term of natural born citizen. Why? Because they wanted future presidents to be born of the soil and full blood of the nation, and being born of the soil (native born) was not enough.

TO DIFFERENTIATE:

* Native-born citizen = Born of the soil (United States)

* Natural born citizen = Born of the soil (United States) AND full blood (two US citizen parents)

So, based on the above understanding, Even if we were to grant that Obama was born in Hawaii, he would only be a NATIVE-BORN citizen, but he is NOT and NEVER WOULD BE a natural born citizen because his father was not a US citizen.

BTW, me, yours truly is a naturalized citizen as described in the 14th amendment, but I am NOT a natural born citizen. Therefore, I can never be President.


83 posted on 04/18/2011 2:45:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Natural” means no further action necessary. When a person by their mere birth is a US citizen it means they are natural born.

“Natural” does not mean “must be born of two parents citizens”. I bet you can’t find THAT definition in the dictionary.

That logic, and that logic, alone, is all I need to know.


94 posted on 04/18/2011 4:13:46 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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