[FreeReign]

I knew that Fred was self-made. This line of discussion, tho, began with the proposition that The Donald was, of all things, born/raised in NY,NY vs. GWB being of the fine soil of TX. My intent was to return to the absurd contrast as to the socio-economic roots of the two men (both of whom I like and appreciate for what and who they are). Suffice to say that one of them probably knew how to use a fish fork properly before he was out of the cradle; the other not until he was well out of Wharton. $$ and geography have little to do with that.

I have no idea who started using a fish fork properly, first.

My entry into the line of discussion was simply to correct the idea that Donald Trump was from a "middle-working class neighborhood" called "Jamaica".

BTW, as an odd side note, Barbara Pierce Bush of Rye, was born in....Flushing Queens.

[EDINVA]

“BTW, as an odd side note, Barbara Pierce Bush of Rye, was born in....Flushing Queens.”

I think Flushing was also Nancy Reagan’s home town as a child. Small world, ain’t it ? A couple of my nephews and a niece were born in Flushing. Obviously a great place to be born.

I’m guessing Flushing was pretty close to rural (or as close to rural as anything in the 5 boroughs has been for the past century) when BPB an NDR lived there.

[dennisw]

The Donald grew up in Jamaica Estates which is the ritzy side of Jamaica, Queens. Mario Cuomo had a house there too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica_Estates,_Queens

Other parts of Jamaica can be slummy. Some are middle class