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To: The Theophilus
NEWS FLASH
The united States is not Old Testament Israel. Everything you just said above is blasphemy.

Blasphemy:
1) impious utterance or action concerning god or sacred things.
2) an act of cursing or reviling God.
3) the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
4) irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.

Can you expand as to what in Post 30 you consider "Blasphemy"?

The united States is not Old Testament Israel.

True...
What is your point?
Are you saying the Old Testament has been rendered nonexistent by the New Testament?
Or does the Old Testament only apply to Israel? ... Except for the Book of Job ... That only applies to Job?

Was the Shepherd referenced in Psalm 23 - only David's Shepherd, and not ours? When David wrote in Psalm 29 that the LORD is my Light and my Salvation -- was this applicable only to David? I suppose he did use the word "my" a lot...

Why did the Apostles reference Old Testament scripture?

When the Lord Jesus Christ was said to have said in Hebrews 10, "in the volume of the book it is written of me...", was it "fair" for HIM to have referenced the "book" (the Old Testament) ... since this book applies only to Israel?

80 posted on 04/15/2011 4:13:32 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

That looks like a good reply to me as far as the subject matter goes.


87 posted on 04/15/2011 5:18:17 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite ( post 2 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: El Cid
Can you expand as to what in Post 30 you consider "Blasphemy"?

Yes. Easily, though I don't really see any fruit in making enemies. I do appreciate going to the dictionary, it makes it much easier for us to stay on track.

Are you saying the Old Testament has been rendered nonexistent by the New Testament?

I'm not sure how you could possibly wring that thought out of "the united States is not OT Israel", I'm guessing that you may be applying the favorite Dispensational's interpretation hermeneutic of "Eisegete whatever you want, wherever you want until you get the results you want" and its necessary corollary "ignore everything in context that disqualifies the a priori assertion.

I don't know what you mean by "rendered nonexistent" because I am looking at a copy of the OT right now, it has not been rendered non-existent. I do know that old testament is a source of teaching of the gospel of Grace (Rom 1:2;1Pe 1:10-11) "wise unto salvation" (2 Ti 3:15) yet primarily about our LORD (Jn 5:39; 2 Peter 3:2) therefore it is invaluable to the true believer. I also know that modern Dispensationalists have perverted the Old Testament into a puzzle book, crystal ball, and Day Planner for the reprobate. (2 Pe 3:16)

Why did the Apostles reference Old Testament scripture?

I'm a bit confused here. Your comment was rife with bad theology, blasphemous in its assumption that man can manipulate God into following one course or another of action. Your statement:

If HE wants to expedite the destruction of our Nation because of past and present sins of a people that have turned away from HIM

the "because of" statement presumes the tail will "wag the God" (#3), it also assumes that there is a level of Sin that God is comfortable with - that trivializes His Holiness and brings to question His foreknowledge.(#4)

If the people repent, HE'll also give us the leaders we deserve - leaders that fear God

This is the statement that demonstrates you either don't understand or reject the doctrines of Redemption. Romans 2:5, 2 Cor 5:10-11; 2 Peter 2:9,3:7 all teach that God stores up His Wrath towards the wicked until Judgment Day. Your statement included a direct quote from 2 Ch 7:14:

Dispensationalists like to call Post-Millennialists and Amillennialists "Replacementarians". Clearly, this passage in Chronicles is for the Jewish people, but you here, and many of your teaching system replace OT Israel with modern united States and don't see the hypocrisy and the outright contradiction. Furthermore, since Dispies think the OT is alive and well in the current Christ-hating Israel, yet you folks pretend that God is going to heal their land and help them sans the humbling and repentance - so you really don't even believe this passage applies to the Jews - only the united States.

It is well past time to repent and seek the LORD, and to beseech HIM to remove the plague from the land.

It is disappointing to see that so many people accept uncritically the dreck that pours out profusely from the Dispensers of Dispensationalism. We live in a Constitutional Republic, such as once the margins from voter fraud are covered, its a function of the voting majority electing the lesser of two evils. You can repent all you want, it isn't going to change the vote of your red-flag waving Marxist next door.

Furthermore, the doctrine or Repentance isn't about manipulating God into giving you a benevolent dictator, its about the natural reaction to the gift of regeneration of the spirit being brought from death to life and that which separates you eternally from the damned and brings glory to God. I find your statement highly offensive in view of the Martyrs who did a whole lot more than bitch and complain about their government. Do you feel that the early Church wasn't earnest enough in their prayers and repentance and that is why they suffered through Nero and Tertullian? Were the disciples lacking in some area of faith that caused them to get martyred? What about the people of modern day Congo where in the last decade millions of Christians have been slaughtered. Do you care?

If you want to correctly believe that God is involved in the politics of any nation, including the united States, then look no further than Romans 13. I have brought this up before Dispies in times past and the usual reaction is that Paul was only talking about benevolent government (as if Nero was some sort of saint), so it appears when God does take credit for government, its the Dispies who disagree and then claim that its by some convoluted system of quid pro quos that earn God's gift of good government. As I pointed out before, maybe we should return to slavery since that is what gave us George Washington and Thomas Jefferson - using YOUR logic.

Dispensationalism, for reasons I can't quite understand, rejects pretty much all of God's teachings about government. Here we are complaining about our wicked government and blaming ourselves for Barry Soetoro's regime!

Prov 24:21-22 My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

Does it say anything here about repenting and humbling ourselves? I mean you prophecy hunters totally missed this passage and it especially refers to wicked leadership that campaigns on "Change". The reason why, is that it doesn't fit the narrative, the Bible contradicts the desired fantasies of the Dispensationalist.

Do you want to pretend that the united States has the same relationship with God as OT Israel? Well, here is God's plan as he laid out for the Jews who were taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar:

Jer 29:4-9 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, to all who were carried away captive, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem to Babylon: Build houses and dwell in them; plant gardens and eat their fruit. Take wives and beget sons and daughters; and take wives for your sons and give your daughters to husbands, so that they may bear sons and daughters — that you may be increased there, and not diminished. And seek the peace of the city where I have caused you to be carried away captive, and pray to the Lord for it; for in its peace you will have peace. For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you, nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed. For they prophesy falsely to you in My name; I have not sent them, says the Lord.

This is what the Post Millennialists and the Amillennialists have been preaching for years. Trust God, even when He causes you to be in the hands of the wicked. Continue to live your life and ignore the Hal Lindseys and the John Hagees who tell you to drop-out and pine for an escape aka "rapture". They are false teachers, prophets who steer you away from the truth and are out to take your joy.

This is the same language used by our LORD at the Mount of Olives as He was describing the Last Days - as in the Days of Noah and Lot where they were marrying, trading, eating, drinking, planting, starting businesses - the very same thing that God is telling the faithful to do in this passage.

I know Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are the stock in trade for Dispensationalists. Its more fun to completely and totally disregard the Words of God here, and repeated again by our LORD Jesus Christ in Luke 12:22-34 (also Matt 6:19-21,52-34) and go be anxious over everything.

125 posted on 04/16/2011 3:23:02 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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