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To: Colofornian

The BYU stuff just seems factual.

If the guy was a priest or whatever then sure, but is every crime in Utah a mormon scandal?


11 posted on 04/15/2011 12:41:34 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
....but is every crime in Utah a mormon scandal?

Let me just go on record to say that many Utah scandals are indeed Mormon scandals also. Mormons are just as sick, twisted and devious as anyone else - but it is THEY who claim to be better.

How often have you heard on FR that mormons are such good neighbors - just good and honorable folks. Well, the pendulum swings both ways. If THEY claim to be better, then we should see it in action and since I live in Utah and was a Mormon for over 40 years, I can tell you that Mormons are just people.

13 posted on 04/15/2011 12:50:53 PM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
The BYU stuff just seems factual.

(Well, if your moniker has anything to do with your personality -- Engineer -- well, of course, you'd favor "factual" stuff and disfavor fluffy feelings from daughters being quoted about how wonderful their Mormon childhood was...but why would that bother you? ... other than the feelings' angle, that is...the women actually spoke positively of their Mormon childhood)

14 posted on 04/15/2011 12:51:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
...is every crime in Utah a mormon scandal?

This is actually a great Q.

My short answer: No.

My extended answer:
Is a suspicious death where women suspect their father murdered their mother -- is that comparable to falling under a broad "every crime" umbrella? (No)

Therefore, sorry. You're a bit culpable of reducing a potential murder to the status of "every [humdrum] crime."

But, as to why I said it's a great Q re: the scandalous aspect...the extended answer is, "It depends."

Are we talking about Mormons, or non-Mormons?

If we're talking about non-Mormons, then, hey we're all sinners. We're all guilty in Adam -- and have original sin. We're all at least spiritual 'criminals' in the eyes of God. And many of us are social criminals beyond that. All in all, some of us are more guilty than others; but we've all fallen short of the glory of God. Still, so that I don't reduce the magnitude of these things myself, somehow the overwhelming majority of us don't literally kill somebody or abuse them in a criminal way -- even as people are guilty of hating a brother or lusting...which Jesus found to be equally guilty in God's eyes as if committing the very act!

But Mormons -- from a pure Mormon perspective -- don't believe in original sin. They believe Mormon children are 100% innocent for the first 7 years & 364+ days of their lives. Furthermore, MANY Lds leaders reference Mormons as "gods-in-embryo."

So, if a sinner falls. Is that a surprise? (No)
If a sinner is suspected of murder, might that be worthy of a 19-page article? Oh sure; but it's just not as contrast-laden (keep reading).

But if a "god-in-embryo" entity who was...
...born perfect
...and has no original sin
-- if he does these things
-- is that more of a "banner headline" from a Mormon theological anthropology? (Yup)

Why? (Because the contrast of who they are said to be and who they are is greater...just like when Jesus pointed out the contrast of recommending that people be outwardly righteous like the Pharisees -- but not be like the inward graveywards they were!)

19 posted on 04/15/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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