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To: SideoutFred
His mom was an American, there are multiple announcements in a Hawaii newspaper AT THAT TIME of his birth, certification of live birth, etc, etc. Way too much evidence to suggest anything other than born in Hawaii. Yes, it’s not 100% concrete, but it leans so strongly to the fact that he did and we’re looking like nutjobs bringing this up.

You are probably correct SideoutFred. But it doesn't matter. He was not born to parents who are citizens. Both conditions, born on our soil AND parents who were citizens, are required for natural born citizenship. The citizen parents requirement was loudly proclaimed by both Republicans and Democrats to deem McCain eligible. It is not true of Obama. Do we have different rules for different races?

Inherited allegiance was important enough for John Jay to remind Washington to include it in 1787. It is at least as important today. Barack spelled out why in his book Dreams From My Father. Whether or not he spent time with his father, his mother made Barck with Barack Sr. His relatives talked about him. This is human behavior, and covered by what the most influential philosopher to our founders, Vattel, called “Natural Law.”

Your daughter is going to marry, to join two families and what do you ask, only knowing that the young man is on good behavior and wants to do natural things with your daughter. You want to know the parents, their ethics, their morals, possibly their religion, their financial status. That will tell you more about the young man than he will.

The English won't permit naturalized citizens to be Members of Parliament. Our founders and framers let naturalized citizens hold every office in our government but the presidency (and vice presidency by implication). Barack/Barry is a naturalized citizen if he was born in Hawaii, though may not actually be a legal citizen. And while being born there makes no difference to his eligibility, I too suspect that he was born in Hawaii and is withholding his documents because he can.

Barack knew that those who voted for him wouldn't care, or understand, or believe those who questioned his eligibility. Most young voters wouldn't have known that McCain was sued three times by Democrats who questioned his eligibility in the 2000 campaign. Now Obama can release his birth certificate if Trump should become our nominee, and embarrass him. Trump knows that. We can only guess why he is raising just the birth certificate issue. But it isn't an honest effort to question Barry's eligibility, so we should assume, with eighty percent of his campaign contirubutions going to Democrats, that Trump has chosen to help what he considers to be the winning side. That is probably why few Conservative or Republican potential contenders will touch the "birth certificate" issue. They know they could be stung. It would be a surprise to learn that any legislator does not know the definition of a natural born citizen. They simply see no gain in combating the ignorance of the public, assuaged by the phony birth certificate agitprop, and a press which will do anything to keep the public confused.

186 posted on 04/17/2011 12:07:59 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

Please tell me why the SCOTUS hasn’t taken up this issue then? A SCOTUS, I’d remind you, that has a majority of Conservatives on the court and are lifetime appointed?

There is NOTHING HERE and we look ridiculous bringing it up time and time again. Stop with the technicality stuff (which can’t be proven anyway). If we can’t beat this clown based on his performance, what does that say about our side?


188 posted on 04/17/2011 8:48:07 AM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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