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To: pnh102

“You could make the same argument about legal gambling, cigarettes and alcohol. Maybe those need to be banned too.”

I would agree with making alcohol illegal...would save thousands of lives and a huge amount of anguish each year.

Libertarians are simply wrong on issues of drugs being legalized. Actually, they are off base on many of their positions. They seem to ignore God and that is their downfall philosophically.


8 posted on 04/11/2011 5:50:05 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

yeah they tried that already. Little thing called Prohibition which among other things gave rise to the Kennedy empire. Try again.

I’ll admit it I did pot a few times. Never liked the stuff it made me feel dumber than usual and hungry to boot. The perpetual pothead seems to me to be more along the lines of a perpetual drunk, or the three pack a day smoker. They exist but they aren’t as common as people seem to think.


11 posted on 04/11/2011 5:57:00 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Wpin
I would agree with making alcohol illegal...would save thousands of lives and a huge amount of anguish each year.

We did that with Prohibition. It was a disaster that ushered in organized crime rackets into every major city in the USA and probably caused more problems than it ever hoped to solve.

Libertarians are simply wrong on issues of drugs being legalized. Actually, they are off base on many of their positions. They seem to ignore God and that is their downfall philosophically.

The problem is that drugs' currently being illegal is not stopping the people who want to use them from using them. They find ways to get around the law. Drugs have been illegal in the USA since the late 1930s and even with the heavy-handed approach that many law enforcement agencies take with druggies today, overall drug use is worse than it ever has been.

In every society, there will exist a group of people who will refuse to control their own passions and engage in self-destructive behavior. This simply cannot be helped unless the person involved wants to be helped. Taking the "banning it" approach to these problems will simply move the problem to the next form of moral malaise that is still legal.

As for ignoring God, I am going to assume that you are speaking about the Christian God. If this is not the case, I apologize. But there are no teachings in the New Testament which task the state with enforcing the Law of God. Furthermore, we are taught as Christians that we must obey all of the laws except for those which conflict with God's Law. Even if drugs are legalized, the people who take their faith seriously will not indulge in them to excess, or at all.

12 posted on 04/11/2011 6:00:58 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Wpin

Please see post #14.

Thank you,
Moleman


32 posted on 04/11/2011 7:06:05 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Wpin
Libertarians are simply wrong on issues of drugs being legalized. Actually, they are off base on many of their positions. They seem to ignore God and that is their downfall philosophically.

Wow! What Bible have you been reading? Christ died for our LIBERTY! He set us FREE from the LAW of sin and death. HE turned water into wine at a wedding feast WHERE THE PARTICIPANTS WRE CLEARLY DRUNK.

The foundations of America were freedom and liberty. Try studing a little more and you may become enlightened to many truths. It is antithetical to freedom to place arbitrary limits on anything such as a little weed. God gives us a choice for LIFE or DEATH. He didn't make robots. He gave us the opportunity to FAIL. It is when we realize our failures that we turn back to Him!!!

... Mark 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

33 posted on 04/11/2011 7:11:42 AM PDT by WVKayaker
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To: Wpin
We made alcohol illegal once already (and it required a conditional amendment to do it) it was an unmitigated disaster. It gave rise to a criminal class the likes of which we had never seen before. It created more damage to people that acquired it illegally because it's pretty hard to go after a criminal that was selling bad alcohol. Not only that but the people that drank to excess still drank to excess. A basic knowledge of history would demonstrate to a school child that making alcohol illegal again would only create more problems. No problems you mention would be alleviated by making it illegal.

I do not see the constitutional authority for the government to ban any substance. That being said, people need to be responsible for their actions and with our welfare system we would end up paying people to take drugs. I would think that is a bad idea.

35 posted on 04/11/2011 7:23:04 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Wpin
“I would agree with making alcohol illegal...would save thousands of lives and a huge amount of anguish each year.”

lol, since it worked out so well the last time prohibition was tried. Those too stupid to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. BTW even die hard prohibitionists admitted that prohibition was a dismal failure and a mistake the last time around.

45 posted on 04/11/2011 8:27:17 AM PDT by monday
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