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To: hbvg3
hbvg3 wrote:

“ Repeal the seventeenth Amendment, and return Senators to the position of elected officials wholly responsive to their own State government and I would agree with your scenario”

hbvg3,

I agree the 17th Amendment needs to be repealed to help restore good government and federalism, our Constitution’s plan. The adoption of the 17th Amendment was an assault upon federalism by progressives of the early 1900s who also gave us the 16th Amendment and its attack upon our Constitution’s rule of apportionment for any general tax laid among the States. Keep in mind progressive always demand their one man one vote part of the Constitution, but they hate the one vote one dollar part when it comes to a general tax laid among the States, and that is what the “progressive” fairtax is all about … another assault upon the rule of apportionment, just as the 16th Amendment was.

But I do agree with repeal of the 17th Amendment and having each State’s Senators having to come home with a bill in hand if Congress spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes on judiciously selected articles of consumption. I suspect tea party events would turn into tar and feather parties and Congress would miraculously find ways to immediately shrink the size of the federal government to avoid the apportioned tax.

As to Taxman, I too am disappointed that truth and facts are irrelevant to him in a discussion concerning tax reform. And what really gets me is most of the ordinary people supporting the “fairtax” are under the assumption they will no longer have to file tax returns when in fact ordinary working people who dare to sell the property they have in their labor will be requited to file “fairtax” returns under the penalty of perjury 12 freaken times a year, be subject to audits and will have to keep any records and reports Congress may dream up. Not to mention they will have to cough up a 23 percent tax to government on the sale of their labor in addition to paying an additional 23 percent tax upon their purchases.

Oh, and I almost forgot, H.R. 25 is cleverly designed to keep alive Congress power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes, e.g., the Corporate Excise Tax of 1909 upheld in Flint vs. Stone Tracy, and, a tax calculated from “income” levied during the War between the States which was upheld in Springer vs. United States.

Bottom line is, the “fairtax” is a clever proposal for a massive expansion of what Congress may tax and gets its traction when people like Mike Huckabee and Herman Cain sell it as being an end to income taxation. Of course, they never tell their captive audiences income taxation comes back under Congress’ power to lay and collect excise taxes, and H.R. 25 specifically creates the Excise Tax Bureau to collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes. Mike Huckabee and Herman Cain are almost as good as Obama in flimflamming the American people with their promotion of the alleged fairtax, and they have something in common with Taxman … ignoring what the alleged fairtax is really about … an expansion of what Congress may tax.

Regards,

JWK

Are we really to believe the founder of fairtax.org., Leo E. Linbeck Jr., who was a former ringleader of the federal reserve banking cartel which plunders our national treasury?

73 posted on 04/16/2011 6:08:48 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

The only thing relevant to me in re: FairTax is that under the FairTax, I and my fellow Americans will be FRee to work, earn, save and invest without the heavy hand of government interfering.

The issue is FReedom! Once We the People are FRee of the income tax and the IRS, then we can fix other problems that present themselves.

Your insane insistence on repeating ad nauseum a couple of arcane “problems” you have detected in the FairTax has garnered you exactly how many positive posts?

How many Congressmen or Senators support your tax reform plan?

Slink off and keep muttering to yourself how unfair all of this is — no one here really gives a damn what you think.


75 posted on 04/16/2011 6:32:44 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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