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To: kabar; P-Marlowe

The vote on abortion, no matter how handled, will be historic.

Putting it off or voting it down is the same thing. There is no hiding on this one.

As stated about the budget vote, there is no way that the House could have out-voted the Senate + the President. It is not possible.

And the troops are NOT removed from being a pawn in future budget battles, which is the point I was trying (apparently not written very well :>) to make.


318 posted on 04/09/2011 8:25:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins
It is not about a vote on abortion. It is about a vote on the continued funding of Planned Parenthood. Big, big difference. PP advocates will say that the federal funding is not used for abortion, but rather, to provide all of the other services they provide for poor women, e.g., cancer screenings. Here is the Dem spin

"Republicans portray Planned Parenthood as primarily focused on performing abortions and – intentionally or not – using American taxpayer dollars to do it.

Not so, say Democrats who counter that the group's 800-plus health centers nationwide provide an array of services, from screenings for cancer to testing for sexually transmitted diseases. Abortion is just one of many procedures, and the law bars Planned Parenthood from using tax money for it.

In the budget maelstrom that threatened to partially shut the federal government Friday stood Planned Parenthood Federation of America, a 90-year-old organization now part of a decades-long congressional battle over abortion.

Giving its version, Planned Parenthood said it performed about 330,000 abortions last year, 3 percent of its total health care services. The organization also said its doctors and nurses annually conduct 1 million screenings for cervical cancer, 830,000 breast exams and some 4 million tests and treatments for sexually transmitted diseases.

The organization said it receives $363 million in federal funds, getting its money from both the Title X program and Medicaid. Title X provides grants for family planning and related health services under a law signed by Republican President Richard M. Nixon in December 1970.

Of the Title X money, Planned Parenthood gets about $70 million, some 25 percent of the $317 million in Title X spending. The organization's annual budget is $1.1 billion and includes individual donations.

Federal law bars Planned Parenthood from using tax dollars for abortion. In 1976, three years after the landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

326 posted on 04/09/2011 8:46:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: xzins
They should have just prepared a single CR to cover the military through 2012 and then a separate domestic spending CR to cover everything else. For whatever reason Boehner went this way and no matter how much lipstick you put on it, it is still a pig.

He caved on the most important issue in order to preserve some image of being "reasonable". Well the democrats are never "reasonable". They are still going to paint republicans as forcing this bill through and while they are murdering children in the womb they will claim that the Republicans are starving them on the streets.

The democrats know they are in a war and they act like it. The republicans have their heads buried in the sand thinking that if they are only nice, that the MSM and the democrats will stop calling them radical extremists. That ain't gonna happen and the sooner they realize it, the better.

If Donald Trump is serious about his conversion to pro-life, then he's got my vote. He seems to be the only Republican out there that doesn't give a rip what the MSM thinks of him, and since he was their darling a few years ago, they don't know how to deal with him.

I am skeptical of his conversion. But he never pushed through an abortion on demand bill like Romney or a state run health care system. So even if Romney's conversion is legitimate, since he never admitted he was wrong on his prior liberal positions and seems to be claiming to be pro-life just to appease the right, I don't think I could ever support him.

Palin seems to be gun shy on some of the issues (not that I can blame her), but I'm really looking for a Ronald Reagan personality and if I pretend that Trump wasn't a life long liberal, I'd say he has the charisma to lead this country. OTOH, he may not be serious at all and may be playing us all for fools. Palin is my favorite based on overall consistency, but she needs to come out of her comfort zone and take on the MSM face to face like Trump has been doing. Trump has been making mincemeat of these liberal interviewers. Palin needs to take a lesson from Trump.

331 posted on 04/09/2011 8:59:19 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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