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Fantasywritier, the reason I always challange birther claims posted without any substantiating evidence is because birthers have a tendency to believe things that someone else has just made up out of whole cloth, and then repeat them. Hence the easiest way to debunk most birther claims is to simply ask for proof. When you can't produce proof, your claim is debunked. Period.

By responding to me the way you did above, you revealed to me that you were just repeating a rumor and had obviously had not seen any actual evidence that Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya. You just saw it repeated on various blogs, "all over the internet," as you say, and that caused you to believe it. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that just because some factoid is being cited "all over the internet," then it must be true, or at the least, has a high degree of probability of being true.

What you fail to grasp is the ease with which it is to make up and spread false rumors on the internet. That's why it is really stupid to believe anything, or even assign it some non-zero probability of being true, just because you see it "all over the internet," as you like to say.

Many things, especailly things related to Birthism, have been proven false despite the fact that they were "all over the internet." You want some examples? How about the birther myth that there was a US travel ban to Pakistan when Obama visited the country. There's the myth that Maya Seotoro, Obama's Indonesian-born half sister, has a Hawaiian COLB. There's the myth that some Hawaiian state agencies did not, until recently, accept COLB's a proof of birth in the state. There's the myth that McCain had to show his birth certificate to a Senate Committee. There's the myth that McCain was born in Colon, Panama. I could go on all day listing blatently false birther rumers that birthers have continued to repeat on blogs, long after they were disproven, in some cases even until this day.

So tell me, Fantasywriter, given the history of birther blogs making up rumors up out of whole cloth, and then other blogs and birthers repeating those rumors ad nausium, why do fail to demand evidence before believing? Given the birther history of false rumors, it's a pretty good bet that if there's a birther claim being repeated all over the 'net, but no evidence has ever been presented to back it up, it's false.

Now as to the specific myth in question: Obama's grandma allegedly saying he was born in Kenya, I know the source of that myth. I looked into it over two and a half years ago. The reason I asked you to substantaite it is because, in addition to the fact that basic logic said the burden of proof was on you, I wanted to assess whether you were just repeating a rumor you had heard, or whether you had actually looked into on your own. Now that I know the answer to that question, I will provide you with proof that it is indeed a myth.

The original source of the myth is a telephone conversation that some guy who calls himself "Bishop" McCrae had with Obama Jr.'s STEP grandmother, that is, one of the other wives of Obama Sr.'s father. The good "bishop" ubruptly cuts the tape off at a point in order to make it seem like the lady is saying her step-grandson was born in Kenya. However, if you listen to the unedited tape, it becomes obvious that is not what she is saying, and in point of fact she says he was born in Hawaii. I am not relying on any leftist blogs as my source. I only rely on the actual unedited tape of the conversation.

Here you can listed to the "bishop's" edited tape in which it sounds like she's saying she was at Obama Jr's birth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08&feature=related

And here's the full tape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY6bPYKLjNw

Go ahead and listen to both for yourself. I am confident that if you do so with an open mind, you will agree with me that the good lady never says Obama was born in Kenya.