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To: Vaquero
they are pumping salt water to keep this from meltdown

Apparently not fast enough. You have to pump in water fast enough to keep the rods completely submerged. Air just can't transfer heat fast enough to cool them and once out of the water they melt quickly. Now there is a big difference between partially melted rods and a melt down. But once the rods get exposed you are looking at a massively more expensive cleanup. You can't just pull the rods out for disposal any more since once they melt they tend to get stuck in place. So you have to dispose of the entire reactor vessel as a unit like they did at Three Mile Island. Getting this thing safely disposed of is going to be a seriously no fun engineering problem. Certainly one more than the Japanese need a the moment.
18 posted on 03/14/2011 7:14:25 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

“Now there is a big difference between partially melted rods and a melt down. But once the rods get exposed you are looking at a massively more expensive cleanup. You can’t just pull the rods out for disposal any more since once they melt they tend to get stuck in place. So you have to dispose of the entire reactor vessel as a unit like they did at Three Mile Island. Getting this thing safely disposed of is going to be a seriously no fun engineering problem. Certainly one more than the Japanese need a the moment.”

So far, this is the big problem. The reactors are ruined and are going to be very expensive for the Japanese to clean up.

But we are still a couple of big steps away from a nuclear disaster. The rods have to actually melt down. The rods are radioactive material enclosed in a metal alloy. The radioactive stuff can produce 3000 degrees and the rods can only take 2200 degrees—that’s why they are desperate for water to cool the rods. So the rods staying intact is the first protection. If they are talking about how covered up the rods are in percentages, the rods have not melted down substantially (although the radioactive Cesium release suggests the exposed portions of the rods may have started that process). Then steel containment container has to breach and that takes a full meltdown (and I haven’t heard any evidence it has breached). In addition, once breached, the concrete and steel container compartment drains into a concrete torus below the container that spreads the melted materials out and contains them. So that third level of containment must be breached also for there to be a nuclear accident of the kind FREEPERS are worrying about.

It could still happen, especially if the concrete containment or the Torus were shattered by another major quake. But we’re still a long way from that result from the current state of the news.


65 posted on 03/14/2011 8:46:01 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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