[RobbyS]

Right on. Obama and his buddies want to institute a European type society. But that presupposes a population that has European values. I used to joke that when every German was born, the nurse handed him a rulebook, and he spent his time in the crib, when he wasn't eating or pooping, learning the rules. It takes an enormous amount of social discipline to produce an ordered society. Younger Germans don't have as much of that; you see more litter and graffiti than thirty years ago. But a respect for order is still there.

[muawiyah]

The Germans are rapidly catching up with the Austrians ~ NOTE: Germany and the Benelux have substantial populations of government employees who have as their job picking up stuff. Austria and America, except for Bransom Missouri and Disneyland, do not!