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A closer look at natural gas
The Sentinel ^ | March 13, 2011 | Stephen Bloom

Posted on 03/13/2011 5:43:56 AM PDT by LikeLight

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To: mo

The whole secret to getting out of the mess we’re in is domestic energy independence...and abadoning globalism

Agree wholeheartedly.

Of course the Council On Foreign Relations (Clintons, Rockefellers, Albright, McCain, etc.) do not see it that way. It threatens their position, kind of like public unions.

21 posted on 03/13/2011 7:36:32 AM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Wart, hang on a minute...

I mean specifically the Shale Gas revolution. Yes she is spot on on domestic sources. It maybe me that is getting wonky about this niche. Yes all the possibilities a candidate won't do it to get intrapped, but again the likes of Gov Snyder of MI did it via his website as a candidate to tell what he would do in a 70 page paper. Maybe it is time for national candidates to try that.

22 posted on 03/13/2011 7:38:04 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: taildragger
I mean specifically the Shale Gas revolution.

Palin talks about everytime she comes to PA!

23 posted on 03/13/2011 7:42:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Erik, That is what I like about FR, I stand corrected thank you!

As much as I follow her, I had not heard that specifically.

Do you have a link to a transcript?

24 posted on 03/13/2011 7:47:17 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Ciexyz

Sierra Club propaganda has, unfortunately, worked very well in PA. In WV the Sierra Club are doing their damnedest but a lack of a dominant MSM (read: environmentalist shills) is hurting their anti-Marcellus cause. Of course, WV is already very amenable to energy production via the coal industry and ‘gas fever’ is well ahead of greenie fearmongering in the public opinion stakes.


25 posted on 03/13/2011 7:54:56 AM PDT by relictele
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To: relictele

If I’m not mistaken, there is a refying process which can produce a liquid gas which does not require that it be stored under pressure, voila, how will the greenies stop this if gas is 8-10 a gal.


26 posted on 03/13/2011 8:42:50 AM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: Waco
If I’m not mistaken, there is a refying process which can produce a liquid gas which does not require that it be stored under pressure, voila, how will the greenies stop this if gas is 8-10 a gal.

Tangent to that is the advent of Liquid Gas Direct Injection

2 firms, one AU, one in the Netherlands making the Injector, one in Germany that already is doing the entire conversions to VW autos with Direct Injection. Note the system is still under pressure and requires Gaseous types of tankage.

By going from a liquid to a gas via the injector they do not have to have all the other hardware to do the conversion before the Injector.

They are also taking advantage of the change of state and the cooling will allow greater turbocharging or compression ratios. Smaller engines, more zip, lower emissions with a slight drop in fuel economy when it used to be bigger with gaseous fuels.

In some regards the Eco-Weenies and the EPA have cooked their own goose here. For years they have pushed the big 3 and others to get more efficient, ok they adopted Direct Injection, Now they can supplant the Gasoline One for a Liquid Gas - Direct Injector. Game Changer, and IMHO they ain't going to be able to stop it if this builds up steam.

27 posted on 03/13/2011 10:02:21 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: LikeLight

For those who don’t know, there is a home filling device available to use with a natural gas Honda Civic. Fill up overnight at home and avoid the gas station. Natural gas, a regulated utility, is cheaper than gasoline upon which we are ridiculously dependent, much to the joy of our enemies.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/green-garage/honda-civic-gx-ngv/


28 posted on 03/13/2011 11:09:57 AM PDT by doug from upland (Barack Hussein Obama - making Jimmy Carter look better every day)
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To: doug from upland
"Natural gas, a regulated utility, is cheaper than gasoline upon which we are ridiculously dependent, much to the joy of our enemies."

I suspect that once the "highway taxes" are added to the nat. gas, that it probably isn't much cheaper. Still well worth developing the infrastructure, though, as nat. gas looks like the true "fuel of the future".

29 posted on 03/13/2011 12:00:22 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Hydrogen is actually the fuel of the future. I spoke with a guy at the Washington, DC auto show recently about his company’s fuel cell generator. $8,000 investment to power your home and vehicle on hydrogen. Solar panels providing the energy to create the hydrogen. I don’t know when it will be widespread, but it is the future.


30 posted on 03/13/2011 12:38:31 PM PDT by doug from upland (Barack Hussein Obama - making Jimmy Carter look better every day)
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To: LikeLight

In the Penn. area is a company that has the technology to easily convert coal/shale to any form of hydrocarbon [at less work for use in refineries] on a commercial scale. Either insitu (downhole as for shale or coal gas production) or in LARGE containment vessels (as for coal extracted or surfaced-mined).

Global Resources has gone through all needed engineering trials to have their technology ready to go as soon as illegal Obama-etal is removed from the WH/America.
It has built specific-designed microwave devices per the application which uses less energy to do the work than typically steam or high pressure fracing.


31 posted on 03/13/2011 3:40:16 PM PDT by SonsOfCollins_Wallace ("... if yah ken behr eit" OR "where yah goin William ?.... ")
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To: taildragger

If Cramer is long something...go short.


32 posted on 03/13/2011 6:55:15 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: doug from upland

If it takes solar panels to make the hydrogen, that sure leaves W.Mi out in the cold.
We seem to be rationed to one or two days a week, if we’re lucky.


33 posted on 03/13/2011 7:25:01 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: doug from upland
"Hydrogen is actually the fuel of the future. I spoke with a guy at the Washington, DC auto show recently about his company’s fuel cell generator. $8,000 investment to power your home and vehicle on hydrogen. Solar panels providing the energy to create the hydrogen. I don’t know when it will be widespread, but it is the future."

Well, I agree that it will be the "ultimate" final fuel (unless someone makes a gigantic advance in battery or similar storage tech), but natural gas is the prime candidate for the immediate and middle-term future.

34 posted on 03/13/2011 7:27:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

I agree. We should be exploiting that resource now as fast as we can.


35 posted on 03/13/2011 7:29:33 PM PDT by doug from upland (Barack Hussein Obama - making Jimmy Carter look better every day)
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To: LikeLight

I’ve argued for a long time that a “Marshall Plan” for US energy production would go a long way towards restoring both economic well being and increasing our standard of living.

Cheap plentiful energy is the life blood of a modern economy.

We transfer a huge amount of our wealth to foreign powers that use that wealth against us at even greater cost to us.

Until that changes, not much else will.


36 posted on 03/14/2011 1:55:59 AM PDT by DB
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