First off, whose poll are you referencing that shows an :overwhelming majority of libertarians" harping on anything? Would that possibly be the libertarians you are personally acquainted with?
Because, as you are probably aware, the national opinion polls studiously avoid offering a "libertarian" classification for those who choose to participate.
You're either a conservative or a liberal or a moderate. Fewer labels make the numbers come out right.
Next, paranoid delusions are symptomatic of too much coffee, alcohol and partisan activism. I would venture that there are more Democrats afflicted than Republicans, but the numbers are always changing depending on the crisis and who's to blame. You think self-identified libertarians are conspiracy mongers? LOL! We have quite a few threads right here on FR that could just as well have come from the Star or the Weekly World News for the made-up factoids that gullible FReepers take as honest-to-gosh truth!
And again we have the "anti-Semitic" accusations against Ron Paul and his supporters. I can fully understand the confusion that may exist when you see photos posted to this forum with Ron Paul shaking hands with a white supremacist (who I'm certain was not introduced to him as such) and columns by antagonists demanding his campaign (gosh, this was almost four years ago!) return donations given by members of racist, anti-Semitic groups.
But you know, Ron Paul does not have an anti-Semitic bone in his body. One of his staunchest supporters over the years was Burt Blumert, a Jew who I knew personally and thought the world of just as Dr. Paul did. Ron Paul is of course a Christian, but his faith does not affect his votes in Congress. I worry very much about politicians who seem to let their millennial longings sway their politics. Let's just say it's fine to have religious faith and not so fine to be a slave to it (and I am not thinking of rituals or customs, but more like "prophesy") when the nation's welfare is at stake.
Your last paragraph could have been written by the Rev. Phelps. Perhaps if you send it to him he'll use it?
Regards,
That's a pretty crack-pot bunch in anyone’s book.
I'm sick and tired of this BS, the war criminal crap that occurred at CPAC, the anti-war movement, and the endless harping by the fringe of society that has all attached itself to Ron Paul and the cult of personality.
Too much is too much.
I absolutely despise Ron Paul and the cowardly policies and dishonesty that are his hallmarks. Nonetheless, I know of no credible evidence that he is personally antisemitic and I am certainly willing to believe that he is not antisemitic. He is stiubborn as hell and he is tone deaf and he is arrogant to the nth degree with little reason for being arrogant. However, antisemites do gravitate in his direction when he goes around spewing the 9/11 truther nonsense and being willingly interviewed by the likes of Alex Jones and being in a position to be photographed with antisemites. He has such enthusiasm for abandoning Israel to its enemies (and our enemies) that he confuses people who fail to notice that he wants to abandon everyone in every other nation lest it cost him money as a taxpayer.
PaleoPaulie apparently believes that letters of marque and reprisal are somehow an adequate substitute for the Pentagon and all of its military services. He is wrong.
IIRC, the Good Book tells us that Cain slew Abel and that, when God confronted Cain as to the fate of Abel, Cain said he was not his brother's keeper. PaleoPaulie, the Wonder Wimp, killed no one but he also insists on not being his brothers' keeper. As I recall, Cain was not the hero of the Bible passage even if you disregard the fact that he personally slew Abel. The Good Samaritan was the hero of a later passage when he bound up the wounds of the stranger who was a mugging victim and paid for his care after several more respected and pious fellows had walked on by not wanting to be involved. Should we (and PaleoPaulie) just talk the talk or should we walk the walk???
If paleoPaulie does not want to personally stop abortion (and he does not, copping out on "constitutional" excuses while winking at his leftist antiwar buddies) or invasions of American allies lands or terrorist murders of Americans and others, I would be all for exempting him personally from even having to pay the portion of his taxes that fund such worthwhile efforts. Honorable people should not have to suffer being sullied by association with him. God marked Cain as a warning that men were not to punish Cain. Shunning paleoPaulie and paleo/anyone/else will suffice and it is often recommended by even libertoonians as a substitute for government action. That is what YAF did in expelling the paleosurrenderman from its advisory board where he never should have been in the first place. I assure you that during my time as a YAF state chairman (late 1960s and early 1970s), this "non-interventionism" disgrace would not have been tolerated for a moment. YAF was militantly pro-Vietnam War and the only thing wrong with that war was the cowardice of our politicians who refused to allow victory.
Although Ron Paul is not likely to be an antisemite, did he ever return the scandalous contributions from those who were antisemitic contributors? As I recall, he absolutely refused which is not surprising since libertoonians often regard money as a god.
Christians who live their Faith in their daily lives are Christians and not "slaves" to their religion. "Christians" who compartmentalize their lives so as to imagine themselves believers while seeing that the beliefs are NOT carried out in their daily lives are kidding themselves but they cannot kid God. Religion is a lot more than "rituals" and "customs" and "millennial longings" or "prophesies."
What is your problem with blackjackpershing's last paragraph in #115? What does it possibly have to do with a phony like the Rev. Mr. Phelps who disrupts the funerals of patriots and war dead? Phelps is a phony and so is Ron Paul.
Ron Paul isn;t an antisemite. He just suffer from idoelogoicaly-motivated ignorance on Islam and Hamas. He can’t imagine that the Muslim Brotherhood pre-existed ISrael. He thinks Hamas is the legitimate goverment of Gaza and worthy of foreign aid.
RON PAUL DOESN’T HAVE AN ANTI-SEMITIC BONE IN HIS BODY?? WHY DOES HE ATTRACT HE PEOPLE THAT DO, THEN????
( Taken below from the letter I wrote explaining why I left the Hartford Tea Party )
On July 15, 2009, Peter Schiff was one of the search terms along with Adam Kokesh for this Ron Paul appearance on Judge Napolitano’s web broadcast. If they are not known to each other or do not have common values and goals, why are they jointly
advertised with each other?
That link can be found here:
http://bytestyle.tv/content/freedom-watch-23-judge-napolitano-ron-paul-peter-schiff-adam-kokesh-more
On the following website, videos of Peter Schiff, with search tags that include Adam Kokesh, Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Chris Dodd (someone Schiff has openly opposed, one of the reasons I originally supported him), additional videos also show a hatred of Israel and Jewish interests, calling SarahPalin a Zionist Neocon Warmonger, that Ron Paul is the Tea Party leader-Not Sarah Palin (Neither were leaders, it was street level persons such as myself that made things happen), :
http://www.barackobamavideos.net/keyword/kokesh/page/5
Mentioned specifically on this page are two Schiff videos. Here are the descriptions and links to those videos, along with the search tags for those videos:
Peter schiff – (8.13.09)(0)
http://www.barackobamavideos.net/peter-schiff-8-13-09
Posted on February 10th, 2010 | Categorized as Barrack Obama | Tagged as 1207, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, Adam, Audit, Bankrupt, Business, Chris, Christopher, Collapse, Commodities, Congress, Connecticut, Constitution, Debt, Deception, Deficit, DEPRESSION, Dodd, Economics, ECONOMY, Election, Fannie, FED, Foreclosure, Fox, Freddie, Germond, Harris, HR, IOUSA, Jake, Jaynee, Kokesh, Mac, Mae, OBAMA, Paul, Peter, Predicted, Rand, Restore, Rj, Ron, Schiff, Senate, Spending, The, Towne, US Peter Schiff discussing health care and insurance on Fox Business. Donate to his campaign today! TAGS Peter Schiff Connecticut Senate 2010 2009 US Economy Ron Paul Rand Adam Kokesh RJ Harris Jake Towne Jaynee Germond Congress Election Economics Chris Christopher Dodd 2006 2007 2008 Collapse Predicted Fannie Mae Freddie Mac Bankrupt Depression Deficit Spending [...]
Peter schiff – (8.19.09)(0)
http://www.barackobamavideos.net/peter-schiff-8-19-09
Posted on February 10th, 2010 | Categorized as Barrack Obama | Tagged as 1207, Adan, Alex, Audit, Ben, Bernanke, Brown, Chris, Christopher, Congress, Deal, Debt, Deception, Deficit, DEPRESSION, Dodd, FED, Federal, Germond, Global, Gordon, Harris, HR, Infowars, Jake, Jaynee, Joker, Jones, Kokesh, New, OBAMA, Paul, Peter, Planet, Prison, Recession, RESERVE, Retake, Rj, Ron, Schiff, Spending, Towne Donate to his campaign! TAGS Peter Schiff Ron Paul Adan Kokesh RJ Harris Jake Towne Jaynee Germond Retake Congress Chris Christopher Dodd Obama Joker Deception Depression Recession Deficit Spending Debt Global New Deal Gordon Brown Alex Jones Infowars Prison Planet HR 1207 Audit FED Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke Alan Greenspan Constitution Michael Badnarik Connecticut [...]
Notice that in the second video, one of the search tags is INFOWARS. INFOWARS is an Alex Jones supported group, one of the
leading 9/11 truthers who believe, among the many theories proposed by truthers, stories such as that the World Trade Centers were attacked by radio controlled airplanes that had the passengers removed before the collision, and also that explosive charges were placed in the building that caused the actual collapse after the collision and resultant fire. These people are Ron Paul suporters and openly support Peter Schiff and Adam Kokesh.
Remember: You are known by the company you keep, and by those who promote you and by those who wish you ill.
In this video, hosted on that same site http://www.barackobamavideos.net/keyword/kokesh/page/5 , the title is ISRAEL’S
HYPOCRASY
http://www.barackobamavideos.net/israels-hypocracy
The search tags for that video are as follows: Posted on February 10th, 2010 | Categorized as Barrack Obama | Tagged as 10, 2012,
Adam, Alex, Barack, Beck, Best, Bowl, Brees, Brett, Bush, Campaign, Celente, Commercial, Commercials;, Doritos, Drew, Ever, Favre, For, Gaza, Gerald, Glenn, Hand, Illustrated, Israel, Jay, Jones, Judge, Kokesh, Latifah, Leno, Liberty, Motorola, Napolitano, New, Notes, OBAMA, Order, Palestine, Palestinian, Palin, Paul, Peter, Polamalu, Queen, Rand, Reggie, Ron, Sarah, Schiff, Special,
Sports, Super, Superbowl, Swimsuit, Top, Troy, World, Zionism, Zionist
Israel’s hypocracy MEGA info BOMB blogs.myspace.com FAIR USE NOTICE: This video may contain copyrighted material.
Such material is made available for educational purposes only. This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 USC section 107 of the US Copyright Law. Ron Paul Peter Schiff Adam Kokesh [...]
It is crystal clear that this individual website is hosted by Anti-semitic persons who hold disparaging views of Jews. Notice also that one of the search terms is GAZA, indicating that this website is favorable of the Palistinian cause, despite the obvious facts of the Palistinians creating homicidal bombers to kill Jews using retarded persons as suicide bombers and also firing over 1000 home made rockets into Israel in the last 2 years. This website thinks that is not worth mentioning, but Israel’s Hypocrasy (sic) is the issue.
While again, a single reference to these issues does prove a movement, I understand that, a logical thinking person would distance themselves from people such as this once this is known unless you hold these views yourself, or if your friends hold these views and you do not want to distance yourself from your friends.
For the record, and for his credit concerning his connections to Ron Paul and Adam Kokesh, Peter Schiff has denounced the 9/11 theories surrounding a conspiracy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL7RYFLgLhI
A nerw Internet search reveals the following about Ron paul and 9/11:
An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/
While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.
On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90
Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dECSYm5bSM
A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”
Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”
I did an Internet search to see if Peter Schiff attended this conference, and found that almost every video of this event where Ron Paul made such a statement, Peter Schiff’s name was one of the main search tags:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Peter+Schiff+Atlanta+Campaign+for+Liberty&num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS220US220&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=bYWjS8zdBqWDlAfJp4WODA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CCcQqwQwBA
One one video, the single specific description for the video reads as such:
RANDPAUL2010
INFOWARS.COM
CAMPAIGNFORLIBERTY.COM
SCHIFFFORSENATE.COM
Category: News & Politics
Tags: ron paul 2pac alex jones debra medina peter schiff gerald celente marc faber max keiser jim rogers dollar hyperinflation wall street gold federal reserve bernanke geithner bailout stimulus obama healthcare palin scott brown fox news msnbc cnbc mike church perry hutchison spending tea party glenn beck rand paul dr. mercola campaign for liberty atlanta regional conference woods mises rockwell climategate monckton jesse ventura conspiracy theory new world order
This video can be found at the link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uwPn5C2SPo
And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to
take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron
Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
http://dailypaul.com/node/125999
This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with
Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2007/08/ron_pauls_ufo_sighter_friends.php
How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul?
Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message462483/pg1
You are known by the company you keep. By who likes you and who dislikes you. To see repeatedly in these searches the names of 9/11 truther groups such as INFOWARS and RON PAUL and ALEX JONES, ADAM KOKESH connected immediately to Peter
Schiff can only bring someone to an immediate conslusion: he is either silent of their excesses for his own political expediency but welcomes their support, or he is totally ignorant of Ron Paul and his supporters. Peter Schiff is surely NOT ignorant of Ron Paul.
Excuse me while I heave.
One of his staunchest supporters over the years was Burt Blumert, a Jew who I knew personally and thought the world of just as Dr. Paul did.
So, this Blumert was a member of Neturei Karta?
I honestly thought no one used the "some of my best friends" line anymore other than as a joke.
Ron Paul is of course a Christian, but his faith does not affect his votes in Congress.
Wow. Just . . . wow. You know, a few months ago I saw an article in The Jewish Press where some liberal Orthodox rabbis (who were arguing that the Torah should have no relation to what Jews vote for regarding "gay rights") who made the exact same point . . . that religion shouldn't be the determiner of votes.