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To: fortheDeclaration

“He told the woman at the well who had 5 husbands and was now living with a man, not her husband ‘to go and sin no more’(Jn.4)”
Yes on the first part, but you are incorrect on the second. (not that Jesus would want her to continue in sin, but you are referring to woman caught in adultery)

You said “Are we allowing them into the conservative movement to convert them from being homosexuals?”
What are we called to do first? Run a conservative political movement or save the lost?

Think about the good Samaritan story. What if it went like this... There was once a known homosexual heading to CPAC when he was attacked and left for dead on the side of the road... If you held the view you do today, which person would you be in that story???

You said, “Or are we accepting them as homosexuals?”

Well we accept them as sinners, just like you are. Remember the story of the prodical son? Did it say, only when the son came begging on his hands and knees for forgiveness did the Father turn toward him....??? NO it says this... EVEN WHEN THE SON WAS STILL FAR OFF THE FATHER CAME RUNNING TO THE SON. Did you get that? The FATHER came running. Not the son. That is the nature of God. While we were still deep in Sin God traded his perfect Son for our lives. Not when we got our Sh!t together but while we were still steeped in it.

Here is the question, can Jesus transform a Homosexual through just a sense of love for that person. Just by modeling the Love of the Father? If the answer is no, then your God is limited and not worthy of being served. If the answer is Yes, then, we need to model that even at the risk that they may never fully surrender to Christ. We are not called to make sure that happens. We are called to model it.

But, but , but what if this guy comes to my church and sits next to me, and all my friends are wondering ..... ? See this is where you sacrifice for the kingdom, not money but your reputation. Not always easy.


447 posted on 02/11/2011 6:22:07 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather; fortheDeclaration
NO it says this... EVEN WHEN THE SON WAS STILL FAR OFF THE FATHER CAME RUNNING TO THE SON. Did you get that? The FATHER came running. Not the son.

What you are leaving out is that the son came home. He changed. He repented and came "home". When we change and repentant, yes, God meets us and rejoices just as that father did. But something is required of us first just as that son had his eyes opened.

448 posted on 02/11/2011 6:26:06 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Walkingfeather
[You said “Are we allowing them into the conservative movement to convert them from being homosexuals?”]

What are we called to do first? Run a conservative political movement or save the lost?

It was you who wanted to bring in what the Lord did with sinners.

He was dealing with spiritual issues, we are dealing with political ones, which include morality as a foundation.

And then you bring in the good Samaritan story!

That has to do with being merciful, it is not a political issue.

So, from the rest of your post, it is clear you are quite confused.

I deal with the homosexual on the spiritual level like any lost sinner.

Politically I deal with him as a threat to the entire fabric of the society since he wants to be accepted as being 'born that way' and not a sinner.

No nation has survived homosexuality being considered normal.

481 posted on 02/11/2011 11:44:28 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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