Posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:10 AM PST by broken_arrow1
It was the Congressional version of never count your chickens before they're hatched.
And when you do on Capitol Hill, you can sometimes lose a vote.
The newly-minted House Republican leadership botched a vote Tuesday night when it presumed it had the necessary support to reauthorize the Patriot Act, the anti-terrorism law imposed after September 11th.
The GOP expected little trouble with the bill. So Republicans brought the Patriot Act to the floor under a special procedure that requires a two-thirds vote for passage. It's a maneuver that's typically reserved for non-controversial legislation or bills that carry wide support.
Renewing that Patriot Act had certainly had wide support. 277 members voted in favor of the measure compared to just 148 nays.
But that's short of the two-thirds supermajority. Which means the House defeated the bill.
With 425 members voting, 284 yea votes were necessary to cross the two-thirds threshold for passage. 26 Republicans voted against renewing the law.
Democrats opposed to the Patriot Act were gleeful at the GOP miscalculation.
"Look at the ‘Don't Tread on Me flag.' It doesn't say don't tread on me, but it's okay if you spy," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), one of the most ardent opponents of the Patriot Act. "What the Republican leadership didn't count on is that they have some new members who are freshmen who are conservative, libertarian, who really do believe in civil liberties."
Eight Republicans whom the GOP regards as freshmen voted against the reauthorization. That's precisely the number of yea votes Republicans needed to pass the bill.
House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) used to set the schedule when Democrats were in the majority and is familiar with floor meltdowns like the one Tuesday night.
But despite the misstep, Republicans blamed Democrats for the defeat.
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Put Saudi Arabia in charge of seeing that it does not happen. If they fail, a certain religious site is no more.
We might need to lose a city to stop this damned idea that we shouldn’t profile the only religious group whose stated goal is to destroy Western civilization.
Libtard? YOU provided the link for the support of the Pat Act! The information is lacking, once again, where is the information on the terrorist arrested using the Pat ACt? 1?
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Here’s another non existant case of the patriot act working as intended...
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/patriot-act-foiled-a-terrorist-plot-in-new-york
That’s two..
According to stories posted on FR, sourced from Wikileaks documents it is likely that Al Queda already has nukes available to them.
The have materials to make the dirty bombs.
Which has exactly what to do with the patriot act?
Is it some kind of secret that the left hates the right and will flat out lie?
Or that they will abuse their authority?
What’s more realistic...
The libtards trying to round up 80 million gun owners?
Or Al Q setting off a dirty bomb?
Talk about reacting out of craven fear...
You are more fearful of a bunch of flaming libtards who cant shoot straight...than a suicide death cult?
Is that even logical?
I really thought you had alot of support and evidence by the Pat Act, but if this all you can find. The best of luck to you in supporting tyranny.
The have materials to make the dirty bombs.
Well then...no time like the present to poke our own eyes out, cut our ears off,tie our own hands, and sit and wait for the inevitable...
At least that last E-mail to mom didnt get sniffed by a Data Miner.
I thought that was a war-on-drugs issue. It never stopped the methheads though.
Yep...the ever moving goal posts...
When I find another you’ll scoff louder....then another and more scoffing...
Well here #3:
http://www.newsmax.com/ErnestIstook/patriot-act-fbi-terror/2009/12/14/id/342540
#4
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1971245,00.html
#5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/giulianis_attacks_on_clinton_h.html
Still looking...I’m sure there are more....and I’m sure there are a few we havent heard about...
I fail to see what I posted merits such a response from you.
I also fail to see how a supposed conservative is ok with the govt sniffing my emails to Mom.
Maybe we could do away with the TSA act as well while we’re at it. It too is anti-”PATRIOT”.
It was sarc directed at others...
As someone has already stated he could accept the nuking of an American city...see post #53.
The point being.....the city mom lived in got nuked....but at least my last e-mail to her wasnt snooped on...
Get it?
As a conservative...faced with a choice between some inconvenience or the deaths of potentially millions of my fellow Americans at the hands of Al Q...
It’s a no brainer.
” “We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” - Winston Churchill
Read “Never Again”, John Ashcroft’s book, and you will learn more than 30 names of terrorists caught as a result of the Patriot Act.
So, are you saying that you think it is ok for people using illegal drugs to come feed at the public trough?
“The point being.....the city mom lived in got nuked....but at least my last e-mail to her wasnt snooped on.”
The point being that comparison is a fallacy. Snooping on my emails to my mom does absolutely nothing to decrease the risk of an attack on the US.
- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety — Benjamin Franklin
"Was Patriot Act-authorized surveillance the key to thwarting the plots? The FBI won’t say in the midst of its ongoing investigation."
and #4:
"The Justice Department won't say whether provisions of the Patriot Act were used to investigate and charge Colleen LaRose."
and #5 is a four year old op-ed by Dick Morris which has no details about any specific case.
Goalposts look pretty solidly placed to me.
Except for when those who would do us harm rule countries like Saudi Arabia. Then soft men stand ready to hold their hands and bow to them.
Meanwhile, meth makers just started importing their pseudoephedrine from Mexico, and the production and use of meth in the US contiues unabated. All the government did was inconvenience law-abiding citizens.
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