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To: Jvette
Some folks like to grumble just to be grumbling.

Did she have any specific complaints? I've heard some interesting ones, but it mostly boils down to the critics thinking some words are too hard for John and Mary Catholic - like "consubstantial". I might prefer Cranmer's consciously Englished "being of one substance", but anybody who doesn't recognize the word can look it up, and sensible priests will explain things in their homilies during the runup to Advent 2011.

I've read the new translation and like it very much, but you can tell because I like Cranmer that hard words don't scare me much and accuracy in translation comes first.

Some people also object that the new Mass is "too elevated" and "too elaborate" and doesn't "speak to the people". Of course that's really the first criticism slightly repackaged, but I don't think we should address God in Church the same way we talk to our buddies around the water cooler in the office. Elevated language is probably a Good Thing when talking to the Lord of All Creation.

You can read some substantial samples of the new translation here: Roman Missal. Some differences you'll immediately note: "And with your spirit" is back, instead of "And also with you." The Confiteor has reinstituted "though my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault" and the striking of the breast. The Gloria has "peace on earth to people of good will" (quite close to the Latin: "et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis.") The Creed has gone back to the literal translation of the Latin: "I believe" not "We believe", and words have been changed to more closely follow the Latin - the "consubstantial" I mentioned already, "all things visible and invisible", "incarnate of the Virgin Mary", and so forth. The Sanctus says "Lord God of Hosts" which is again much closer to the Latin.

If you go through you'll recognize little bits and pieces that have been altered. It's all an improvement, and I'm personally thrilled because it's all much closer to the old Anglican translation.

96 posted on 01/30/2011 6:56:51 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Oh that link is great, thanks.

Well, a least some people will have to pay a little closer attention now, lol.

I only mean that some things in the Mass can be very automatic if one is inclined to wander in the mind while there.

I pay very close attention to everything the priest says and that I say, so that it isn’t just going through the motions.

This is going to be interesting.


105 posted on 01/30/2011 7:06:26 PM PST by Jvette
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