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To: woodbutcher1963
5) left wing conspiracy

Well, but the left is still composed of individuals. Despite their theoretical utopian collectivism, they are really still ruled by Adam Smith. NA is an individual and is acting in what he sees as his own best interests. Best not to overplay collective behavior theories without better substantiation.

6) the infamous "eligibility is a Red Herring" theory

This is unlikely, IMHO:

A. I agree that theoretically all we need know about him is that he is committed to the death of our Constitution. Why that alone would not be enough to immediately remove him from office escapes me. But if we have another way to debilitate him, surely we can walk and chew gum at the same time; we can, and we must, mount a sustained effort on multiple fronts.

B. The left will always try to make all their opponents look like nutjobs anyway; there’s no escaping that. So why not stick with something that has a proven capacity to induce serious doubt because it corresponds so well to the factual situation and the motivational schema of all the players? Not to mention there's nothing objectively "nutjob" about wanting to see the Constitution enforced.

C. Why not fight back on the linguistic front instead of ceding ground where we don't have to? The "birther" label is inherently focused on the BC, not eligibility. Why not instead call ourselves “eligibility doubters?” It's a few more syllables, but it focuses on the real issue, which is not the bc, but constitutional eligibility, and furthermore it shifts the burden to Obama to remove reasonable doubts.

D. "Center-right" is just another linguistic inroad of the left, a concession to the Hegelian dialectic. Conservatism, in all its dimensions, is good for America; it's the system of principles that brought us to the dance, and it’s the system of principles that can bring us safely back home.

78 posted on 01/24/2011 1:40:40 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Why not fight back on the linguistic front instead of ceding ground where we don't have to?

Fight back and have fun doing it! Use Saul Alinsky's tactics. Personally, I call all those defending Obama's eligibility, The "Afterbirthers"! Another is "The Believers" ( cue the Monkee's famous song!).

The left will always try to make all their opponents look like nutjobs anyway; there’s no escaping that.

It's the "nut and slut" attack. The Marxists couldn't make Orly out to be slut so they hammered hard on the nut part.

87 posted on 01/24/2011 2:00:07 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Springfield Reformer

Very well presented arguments Springfield Reformer.

I was actually joking about the “vast Left wing conspiracy”
AKA, Hillary Clinton calling us a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

However, where we should be concentrating our efforts is defeating Obama’s liberal policies that the MAJORITY of the country does not aggree with.

The records we should be asking for are his school/college transcripts and passport records. Those may be more damning than the BC.


127 posted on 01/25/2011 6:42:35 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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