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Arizona Suspected Gunman Had 'Troubled Past,' But Mostly Flew Under Radar
Fox News ^ | January 9, 2010 | Jana Winter

Posted on 01/09/2011 10:08:42 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

New details emerging about the suspected shooter behind Saturday's deadly rampage reveal a 22-year-old man with a troubled past who law enforcement say may have been influenced by American Renaissance, a pro-white publication.

A law enforcement memo based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security and obtained by Fox News suggests that alleged gunman Jared Loughner — accused of killing six people, shooting Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and wounding 12 others — may have ties to the American Renaissance group, though it's unclear if he was directly affiliated with the publication or group.

The Southern Poverty Law Center describes the group as "white nationalist" whose leader, Jared Taylor, is "a kind of modern-day version of the refined but racist colonialist of old."

The memo states that there is "no direct connection" between Loughner and the group, "but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his MySpace and YouTube account.). The group's ideology is anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti-Semitic."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: giffords; jaredloughner; jaredrayloughner; killerloughner; loughner; propaganda; smears
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1 posted on 01/09/2011 10:08:43 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: SandRat; Arizona Carolyn; jerseyrocks; Qbert; Impy; justiceseeker93; GOPsterinMA

Some more information about the perp is coming out.


2 posted on 01/09/2011 10:11:48 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Amazing that all these “journalists” have just brushed aside his favorite Communist Manifesto


3 posted on 01/09/2011 10:14:01 AM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: Clintonfatigued

” may have ties to the American Renaissance group, though it’s unclear if he was directly affiliated with the publication or group.”

Ahhh...maybe it would be a good idea to actually attempt to get some real solid information before saying these things?

Or is that asking too much.


4 posted on 01/09/2011 10:14:46 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Clintonfatigued; Liz

It’s Soros-funded “information.”


5 posted on 01/09/2011 10:15:17 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Clintonfatigued

6 posted on 01/09/2011 10:15:30 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Wow, did ooberman have a love child?


7 posted on 01/09/2011 10:16:46 AM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: OpusatFR

The “head” of the American Renaissance group says that they don’t know this guy...he is not a member....that they have checked their records for the past 20 years and have not found his name. They say all of their meetings are on the east coast and there is no record of him attending.


8 posted on 01/09/2011 10:17:33 AM PST by imfrmdixie (A MOUNTAIN CAN BE MOVED....ONE SMALL STONE AT A TIME.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The Southern Poverty Law Center describes the group as "white nationalist" whose leader, Jared Taylor, is "a kind of modern-day version of the refined but racist colonialist of old."

The memo states that there is "no direct connection" between Loughner and the group, "but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his MySpace and YouTube account.). The group's ideology is anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti-Semitic."

Interesting. DHS also made the claim that AmRen was anti-ZOG. I am no fan of AmRen, but I take Jared Taylor's statement that they don't use such terms as probably truthful, given that it could easily be discredited.

So that raises the question - why is DHS uncritically regurgitating SPLC claims? Where is the filtering process to verify such claims - it appears none is in place.

That should give everyone pause - but unfortunately I doubt it will.

9 posted on 01/09/2011 10:18:24 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Clintonfatigued

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


10 posted on 01/09/2011 10:18:51 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: OpusatFR
Ahhh...maybe it would be a good idea to actually attempt to get some real solid information before saying these things?

Or is that asking too much.

I think it's shameful that the media is trying to politicize an act committed by someone who is clearly insane.

The guy is schizophrenic. It doesn't really matter what books he read or websites he visited.

11 posted on 01/09/2011 10:19:03 AM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: Clintonfatigued

Umm ... AmRen is not anti-Semitic. That site has always deleted anti-Semitic comments.

What does it say about DHS that even I know this completely bogus?


12 posted on 01/09/2011 10:19:18 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Clintonfatigued

Any quote taken from “the Southern Poverty law group” has to be suspect. They are a bunch of lying leftist.


13 posted on 01/09/2011 10:19:43 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: OpusatFR
” may have ties to the American Renaissance group, though it’s unclear if he was directly affiliated with the publication or group.”

Ahhh...maybe it would be a good idea to actually attempt to get some real solid information before saying these things?

Or is that asking too much.

I couldn't agree with you more and it bears repeating. I'm beginning to despise the word may. This preys on the "power of suggestion". It's a tactic of the Left and they use it all the time. Shame on Fox for this. It drives me crazy when this tactic is used.
14 posted on 01/09/2011 10:23:35 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

It no longer is a “mental disorder”.It is full blown insanity!


15 posted on 01/09/2011 10:25:01 AM PST by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: FreeAtlanta; Joyell; freespirited; neverdem

“Any quote taken from “the Southern Poverty law group” has to be suspect.”

That is so true. The Southern Poverty Law Group” exists only be convincing donors that Americans are racist and fascist. They’re paid very well to do this. I’m sure it’s better than holding down a real job.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 10:25:10 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“The party of ELF, ACORN, ECO-TERRORISTS, THE BLACK PANTHERS, THE NEW BLACK PANTHERS, THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND, THE WINTER SOLDIERS, MUMIA ABU-JAMAL and his supporters, CAIR, LAMONT HILL, VAN JONES, SAUL ALINSKY, CODE PINK , RASHID KHALIDI , REV WRIGHT, BERNARDINE DOHRN the cop killing wife of Obama confidant, proud domestic terrorist, cop killer accomplice BILL AYERS whose hero SIRHAN SIRHAN assassinated Robert Kennedy, must never get away with trying to blame a senseless isolated act of violence against an entire political group or advocates for a political group such as the Tea Party, Glenn Beck and/or Rush Limbaugh.”

Below is an excellent article re the insane killer with a lot of personal quotes. No where did he profess any love/devotion for Palin or the Tea Party.

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/article_663d67a8-0e82-569b-a2fe-46306174e1fe.html

Suspect in rampage called ‘very disturbed’

TIM STELLER Arizona Daily Star azdailysun.com

The man arrested for opening fire at a community meeting held by U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Saturday — killing six people and injuring 13 others — disrupted classes at Pima Community College, tried to manipulate his dreams and posted rambling messages on the Internet.

The suspected shooter is Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old who lives on the northwest side. He is mentally unstable and may have had an accomplice, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Saturday evening.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima, from which he was suspended Sept. 29 for code-of-conduct violations, said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Dupnik said the suspected shooter has made death threats before and been contacted by law-enforcement officers. The threats weren’t against Giffords, Dupnik said.
Investigators are looking for a second person who may be an accomplice, Dupnik said. “We are not convinced he acted alone,” Dupnik said of the shooter. “We have photos,” he said, of a man in his 50s.

“There’s some reason to believe that (the shooter) came to this location with another individual. And there’s reason to believe the other individual would in some way be involved,” he said.

Loughner has several online accounts, which suggest he has spent most of his life on the northwest side: His MySpace profile says he attended Thornydale Elementary School, Tortolita Middle School and Mountain View High School.

As a middle school student, Loughner was “kind of an outcast,” said Shannin Macey, who said via e-mail she attended Tortolita and Mountain View with him.

In high school, Loughner was in jazz band and played the saxophone, but he dropped out in junior year, said Tommy Marriotti, who was a high-school friend of Loughner. At the time he dropped out, Loughner was having drug problems, Marriotti said, but he seemed to do well once he started taking classes at Pima.

Loughner attended Pima courses from summer 2005 until he withdrew in October after his suspension, the college said.

He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008 but was rejected, said First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson. Loughner was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical, but “he was found to be unqualified,” Homme said.

Loughner registered to vote for the first time in 2006, said Chris Roads, Pima County’s registrar of voters. He registered as an independent and last voted in the 2008 general election.

Sorenson, Loughner’s classmate at Pima, said he was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class.

Pima officials said in a news release that from February to September 2010, Loughner had five contacts with PCC police for classroom and library disruptions at Northwest and West campuses.

Another Pima classmate, Lydian Ali, said Loughner would frequently laugh aloud to himself during the advanced-poetry class they attended. Only about 16 people were in the class, so Loughner’s behavior stood out, Ali said.

“It almost seemed like he was on his own planet, because his comments would have nothing to do with what we were talking about,” Ali said.

Loughner’s online accounts contain some political comments but are dominated by bizarre discussions of his desire to establish a new currency and his disdain for what he considered the public’s low literacy rates. He also wrote threatening and despairing messages.

“WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn’t anyone talk to me? ..” he posted on MySpace Dec. 14.
On Dec. 13, he wrote: “I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it.”

In a posting on YouTube, Loughner wrote repeatedly about a new currency. “I’m thinking of creating a new currency,” he wrote. “Therefore, I’m thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system.”

He also wrote repeatedly about literacy. In a message on YouTube, Loughner wrote: “The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate — hilarious. I don’t control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.”

In a message posted on his MySpace account, titled “Goodbye friends,”Loughner said: “Dear friends...please don’t be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven’t talked to one person who is literate.” It was unclear when it was posted.

In a MySpace profile, Loughner said “My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college.” Conscious dreaming is trying to manipulate your dreams, an interest Loughner pursued, Marriotti said.

He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. But he also includes a broad variety of other titles, including: “Animal Farm,” “Brave New World,” “To Kill a Mockingbird,” and “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.

In another YouTube message, Loughner said: “I know who’s listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don’t know this accurate information of a new currency, aren’t aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn’t have happen.”

“In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming! Thank you!”

In a YouTube video dated Dec. 15, titled “Introduction: Jared Loughner,” he describes himself as a U.S. military recruit who had applied to join the Army.

In the video, Loughner makes a rambling mention of “MEPS in Phoenix” an apparent reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station in the state capital that all Arizona recruits from every branch of service pass through before leaving for basic training.

“Every United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests,” it said. “Jared Loughner is a United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

“I didn’t write a belief on my Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.”

Sgt. Homme declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.

Loughner has had at least two minor run-ins with police, online court records show.

In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff’s Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program.

One year later, in October 2008, Loughner faced a “local charge” in Marana Municipal Court. That charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009.

Court records indicate the Marana case file is due to be purged in December 2013. It’s unclear what the exact charge was.

Grant Wiens, 22, attended Mountain View High School with Loughner, although they were not in the same grade. Wiens also took a class at Pima Community College with Loughner, where they occasionally talked, he said.

“He was a guy in high school who definitely had his opinions on stuff and didn’t seem to care what people thought of him,” Wiens said. “He did his own thing.”

Star reporters Carol Ann Alaimo, Alex Dalenberg, Fernanda Echavarri, Patrick Finley, Ernesto Portillo Jr. and Sarah Trotto contributed to this report.


17 posted on 01/09/2011 10:26:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Flew under the radar except for those times he issued death threats and got kicked out of college. The college had the police serve the notice that he wasnt welcome. The man is a real ghost
18 posted on 01/09/2011 10:27:08 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: dirtboy
"So that raises the question - why is DHS uncritically regurgitating SPLC claims?"

Because they're wholly owned and operated by an agenda-driven obama administration?

19 posted on 01/09/2011 10:28:00 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Someone should have committed him. He’s not in his right mind and the sings were there for all to see, including his parents. But as far as I can tell, he wasn’t even on meds.


20 posted on 01/09/2011 10:28:55 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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