Posted on 01/02/2011 11:36:02 PM PST by Angelus
The statement "One in 19 Americans today get SSDI or SSI. That's one in 19 Americans (who) are disabled." Sen. Tom Coburn, Dec. 1, 2010, in a meeting of the Simpson-Bowles deficit commission.
At a meeting of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform — the Simpson-Bowles commission tasked with finding a solution to deficits — one panel member, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., cited disability payments as an example of government spending "out of control."
It probably does “profoundly” affect a person. So what. Many of us or our family members have been “profoundly” affected by something one time or another.
It is great you are taking care of your wife.
But again I ask........Why am I or any other taxpayer forced to pay for someones luxury of nursing their mental wounds at home. Many have the same wounds and get up and work.
Again.....we cannot afford it.
And that, in a nutshell, is why you have come across as such a jerk on this thread. You won't sway anyone to your point of view with your line of debate here.
The govt. had no right to take the money from your pay to put into a ponzi scheme.
But you playing into the ponzi scheme and getting money out of it is wrong as well.
Sorry. I don’t have all the details about how much you have paid in or how long you have been drawing money out.
But I will tell you this, the person I spoke about earlier in the thread did not pay in as much as she has received. Most people on SSDI who do not die withing say 3 years have not paid in what they are taking out.
This isn’t like private insurance. With private insurance, I willingly pay into it. Take my chances as I see fit.
Taxpayers have no choice. We are forced to pay. Many of us know full well that many people are lying and getting into the money we are forced to give.
Think about it. It is not the same.
You need to go back and do some math. The system is a scam and is broke.
If I am a jerk because I care that my Country is broke and dying then I am a jerk.
If I am a jerk for caring that my money I worked hard for is being taken forcibly and given to people who can but won’t work, than again using your analogy, I am a jerk.
You just want me to shut up and be a fool. That I will not do.
Oh and by the way......your namecalling to prove your point sounds like liberal speak.
If a conservative is making sense just throw out the “you’re a racist” or “you don’t care about the people” or in your case “you are such a jerk”.
Sounds familiar.
I would suggest you take the old advice that it is better to have people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
There are ways you could make your fiscal point here without being such a jerk about it. That is my point, plain and simple.
I have already told you several times I'm for privatizing this program. I'm also for doing the same with SS retirement. But to do this it must be in such a manner where those who are already on it do not get hurt or cut off. It would not be right to do it in any other manner. IOW it will take at least a generation to do it.
There is insurance fraud in private insurance as well and yes indeed you pay for it as well as me. Workmans Comp is another mandatory insurance paid by employers. So is unemployment. Some how I bet even this answer draws a protest from you because you want it now and to heck with all involved.
Wow....you do know you are posting on FR right?
This is a conservative site. That means also being conservative with my money.
If you think me not wanting to pay for many peoples disability scams is jerkish then so be it.
I don’t agree with you. Go post your liberal gibberish of “everyone has to care about me and my problems” somewhere else. Maybe posters at DU will cry along with you in your pity party.
I won’t.
Hello right back at you!!!!
I don’t (and many agree with me) want to pay for others laziness.
Truly disabled, yes. The majority of these people on SSI and SSDI should not be receiving tax money.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
I don’t want to pay for it and our Country can’t afford it.
What is it about “can’t afford” that you and the other few
bleeding hearts on this thread can’t understand?
There is no more money.
I’m done. If you can’t understand that the well is dry, then I’m beating a dead horse.
My wife got PTSD from that and and abusive first husband. Maybe his hand was in her becoming a quad too. She developed PTSD when a dentist was doing an extraction and gave her Mepraghan {sp} for pain. She went into drug induced hypothermia because of it. A few years later due to years of heart Meds her teeth had to come out or she would die. That set off the events to the link on post 75. She still deals with clinical depression and anxiety. Some in here don't understand stress alone above & beyond the normal everyday routine life stresses can kill and make ill.
Same to you as I posted above to “cva66snipe”......
I’m done beating the dead horse.
The well is dry, the jig is up, the money tree has been picked...how else can I say it.
We (America) have no more money left for scams like this. The working people are tired of paying for it.
This isn’t about caring or not caring. This is about people receiving what they shouldn’t and simple economics.
I’m done...have at it.
You take a few frauds and go screaming that you are being ripped off. I know anarchist who do the same. Open your blind eyes. Of all the government fraud Coburn chooses this? LOL. Why did he choose it? Because most are not capable of fighting it and it has no lobby power. Like I said come back when Coburn goes after places like nursing homes where Granny is warehoused just because she's old. You pay for that too but oddly enough not a peep of protest.
I was also right when I said even ending it in an orderly manner would not satisfy you. Thank you. You have proved my points for me in this. I also notice maybe 5 posters in a board of thousands of conservatives are calling for it to be ended now. Most have enough common sense to know anarchy would prevail otherwise. Some though have no common sense at all. That's life.
There is a reason there are more people on disability than say 40 years ago. It's simple. Most of it is due to advances in medical technology in which things like spinal cord injury, stroke, head injury, cancer, heart attacks, etc are now survival but leaves some disabled as a result. Facts? How about this one. A quadriplegic that lives 5 years from onset is about the norm. Anything past that they are very fortunate. Even Dr Coburn knows that.
BTW I looked at the first page of your post on search. LOL Practice what you preach.
Bristol has been at the dead bottom of what? Judges points? Your opinion? So what. Obviously she isn’t in the bottom of the viewers opinions. Why the HELL can’t you get it. WE ALL DON’T AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HER DANCING. I hated the way Brandy danced. She looked awkward to me. Bristol is better. Your opinion is not the be all end all. GET IT IN YOUR THICK SKULL. YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT. IT IS JUST AN OPINION. I don’t base my opinion on DWTS on the judges numbers or your likes and dislikes. If I used your reasoning I could say you like lousy dancing better than good dancing. I though Brandy wasn’t all that good so under your reasoning......You like bad dancing. (it works both ways) Maybe you should look up the word “subjective”. And after you do......stop trying to shove your opinion down our throats. You can have your opinion of good and bad dancing and so can I. Stop being a hypocrite.
338 posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:49:10 AM by Aurorales
LOL Now I understand what I'm posting too.
I will reply to your obvious hunting for “damaging” info on me. LOL!
You just cut and pasted from a “Dancing with the Stars” thread.
Wow....that is series and hugh!
You caught me.
(I think the only name I used in that was “hypocrite”.
You called someone a “stupid horses rear”.
I’ll let that one sit out there on its own merits)
This is an opinionated conservative message board. If you are looking for lollipops and unicorns you won’t find it in most of my posts.
So keep digging. I’m sure you will find my horrendous posts on cats and American Idol contestants equally as damaging. (but go ahead and skip my posts on prayer request threads and the like)
Off of my soapbox now. Last time you will hear from me on this thread.
Have a nice day!
Just had the last cataract out, the first one left eye 13 yrs ago, never have seen any thing but blur out of that eye and the eye burns like some one shoved a red hot poker into it when I put my glasses on. No glasses, no burning. It is not happening with this new implant, and I see fairly well (distance) with this implant.
And I know you have a lot on your plate.
They call it SSI and SSDI but as far as I know the Social Security Administration only administers and pays out all these disability checks and crazy checks. But the money does not come from the Social Security Trust Fund that seniors have paid into and others are paying into. It comes from current USG operating budget
Can anyone verify this?
You know the read deal on this...
You know it's ironic I was reporting Medicaid fraud before Al, Hillary, and Ned Ray started Tenncare in 1994. Some in here claim to be seeing fraud. If they see it they should report it. Both the state and federal government have Inspector General Offices that handle fraud and abuse complaints. Been there and done it myself.
I remember real well the HMO scandals and corruption that were prevalent. Now there was some massive fraud for which no one served a day in jail. This wasn't some Bubba drawing a SSI check. It was CEO's taking huge sums of money and bankrupting their company. Likely billions were taken all total.
The states answer was to cut cost by trying to drop disabled from the rolls. It wasn't to try and contain and prosecute those doing the fraud. The contracted HMO's wanted rid of the disabled. It was also the HMO's several of which had big corporate parent companies backing them that helped put Tenncare into existence among them was Blue Cross Blue Shield.
Remember the Hinny Pinny the state is going broke fiasco we must have a state income tax? The reason was Tenncare IIRC. Our then RINO governor was the biggest ignorer of the fraud and demanded the income tax.
I didn't vote for the man either time but Phil Bredesen the Liberal he is put the boot down on the HMO's. All of the sudden there's money. All of the sudden no more demands for an income tax. The nation got a dosage of Tenncare from none other than SML senator Bill Frist who wrote the Medicare reform Almost an exact carbon copy of Tenncare.
Personally I'd like to see Tenncare stopped and Medicaid returned to a 1963 policy for operations. I have valid reasons. It meant taxpayers had accountability for where the money went, how it was spent, were services actually given, and a way to report fraud and abuse. I had the State Inspector Generals Officer or the state surveyors as we called them at work show up at my home one time back in about 1986 to question us on a few home health nurse visits my wife had received. I can tell you from experience working in facilities they inspected they were hard to fool and tough when it came to insuring services were delivered to the ones eligible.
When Tenncare came into existance the protections and oversite by the IG's office was lost. That is when the fraud began.
No, and never will have. Even wearing sunglasses causes night blindness for me. Knocks what vision they correct in half. So they can yell all they want about wearing them, as long as I can still drive I won’t be wearing them. I have NO coatings but the UV on my glasses, that anti-glare stuff lowers your vision too, and they never correct for that stuff. I buy nothing but plastic Zeiss lenses (best on the market) as they are the truest vision. Poly carb lenses are JUNK.
I know anecdotes don’t make the case, but I was first made aware of this scam when a local druggie was put on Social Security Disability - his mom worked for the agency. Coincidence?
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