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To: B Knotts
There is no option. Either these programs are means-tested, or the whole pyramid scheme will soon come crashing down.

You are asking them to cut benefits without a complete plan to make SS viable, which is not going to be accepted. People who paid in will not accpt cuts to pay for people who have not paid in.

Means testing should be tied to a plan to cut benefits for those who have not apid in or reduce all benefits equally. You are promoting socialism and wealth distribution on a pure level. Why continue to save and work if you will get nothing while those who spend and are foolish with their income continue to receive benefits? Means test is stupid and will have unintended consequences, soon everyone will go Gault.

Lets start by prosecuting and or seizing the assets of the politicians responsible for this Ponzi scheme. Take away Congress's pay, pensions and graft and then go after their assets they received while in Congress. Make it a seizure of ill gotten gains from their continuing Ponzi fraud. Why not, it works for Drug seizures? Sure it would be hard to prove who did what, but that doesn't stop the govt from taking peoples stuff and making them go to court and prove their innocence in seizure cases now does it? On the other hand we can quit giving welfare to Illegals, SSI to those that did not pay in should be cut immediately, and other expansive programs should be cut to the bone. The party is over, we have run out of other people's money. Let those who ran this scheme pay for it not the innocent victims who were forced to pay into it.

190 posted on 01/02/2011 1:26:54 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone

>Lets start by prosecuting and or seizing the assets of the politicians responsible for this Ponzi scheme.

I hate to break it to you, but FDR died a very long time ago.


194 posted on 01/02/2011 1:29:58 PM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: rolling_stone
You are promoting socialism and wealth distribution on a pure level.

You have it exactly backwards. In trying to preserve a bankrupt universal government-run retirement program, you are promoting explicit socialism

In addition, you are promoting bigger government.

The remedies you suggest, while they might sound nice, do not add up to numbers significant enough to make the programs solvent.

In addition to means-testing these programs, we need to privatize retirement for future retirees.

197 posted on 01/02/2011 1:32:49 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: rolling_stone

I would say that SSI and SSD are the biggest drains on the SS system as most of the recipients haven’t put in one thin dime and are collecting glorified welfare.


365 posted on 01/02/2011 5:03:51 PM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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