[B Knotts]

You are correct. Many of the FReepers in this thread have it exactly backwards. A universal retirement program is explicitly socialist; a welfare program is merely an artifact of the welfare state.

It has always been the left who has opposed means testing, because they want a universal (e.g., socialist) system.

[skeeter]

I don't see anyone here supporting the system as it is.

What I do see are many who are fed up with constantly being the ones asked to give while other subgroups are allowed to continue right on taking without so much as a suggestion they do with less for a change.

For example, wasn't Lindsey advocating amnesty not long ago? Where was his concern about the costs of that little program?