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To: topcat54
Wow....you sure have it in for Israel and it seems Christians as well.. what you have posted does seem to point.... Are you anti-semitic? Rosenberg doesn't play....he's booked up on a continuum.. and that by request from foreign dignitaries as much as religious leaders.

Trying to pigeonhole every Christian who differs from your slanted opinion hardly justifies the rants and grumbling I see here. I don't agree with them all.. and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone else to place all their eggs in one basket when it comes to prophet writings and times.< Reading and listening to prophetic authors and speakers certainly enlarges the possibilities and wise to consider...note I did not say one has to believe them.

Are you looking to man for the answers? Won't happen...you need to search the scriptures and see what God has to say...and then be open for Him to reveal His truth.

63 posted on 12/30/2010 2:30:27 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; RJR_fan; The Theophilus; Dr. Eckleburg; Lee N. Field
Are you anti-semitic?

What a cop out. We're not talking about Jews or Semites. We're talking about the secular nation of Israel. We're talking about the political leaders using whomever they can get their hands on to advance their political agenda.

People who don't have a reasoned response often resort to calling their opponents anti-Semites. Surely the claim of “Nazi” cannot be far behind.

It is easy to libel your opponent a racist, and then not deal in any substantive way with their arguments or position held. We should all be appalled at these types of tactics. Journalistic ethics at one time required before going public with an accusation against someone or group, the individual or representatives of the group in question would first be allowed to answer or explain themselves. Then, and only then, should charges be made in a public forum. (Dispensationalism's Eschatological Dilemma)
See also The Unannounced Reason Behind American Fundamentalism's Support for the State of Israel.
66 posted on 12/30/2010 5:36:26 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: caww; RJR_fan; The Theophilus; Dr. Eckleburg; Lee N. Field
Are you anti-semitic?
Now let's take a look at the dispensational view. Dispesnationalists [sic] believe that the events of Zechariah 13:7-9. Matthew 24, and Revelation were not fulfilled in the events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. They believe that these prophecies await a future fulfillment during a period of great tribulation that follows a pre-tribulational rapture. There will be another holocaust out of which a "remnant" of Jews will be saved. Here's what Tim LaHaye's Prophecy Study Bible says on this issue: "Prior to Israel's conversion, Zechariah predicts that two-thirds ('two parts') of the Jewish people in the land will perish during the tribulation period. Only one third of the Jewish population will survive until Christ comes to establish His kingdom on earth."

This means that two of every three Jews who decide to make Israel their home will be killed during dispensationalism's version of the great tribulation. Only the "survivors of the Tribulation period will go up to Jerusalem annually to worship." To make this point, dispensational author Charles Ryrie writes in The Living End that the Bible predicts a future holocaust for Israel. "Jacob's trouble is that coming period of distress described by Jesus as He spoke to His disciples on the Mount of Olives. Jeremiah labeled it 'Jacob's trouble' and said it would be unique in all history (Jeremiah 30:7). Jesus called it a period of unprecedented tribulation (Matthew 24:21) this will be the time of Israel's greatest bloodbath." Preterists aren't looking for a future Jewish holocaust, but dispensationalists are! John F. Walvoord follows a similar line of interpretation:

The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah's prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah.
According to LaHaye, Jews living in Israel "now number over six million." If two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel at the time of a future great tribulation are to die, this will mean the death of four million Jews! In his 1994 book Planet Earth 2000 AD, Hal Lindsey offers this forecast for Israel: "only a tiny fraction of the world's population will be left. Only a remnant will have survived. Many of the Jews would have been killed." In The Final Battle, first published in 1995, Lindsey claims that the Bible teaches that "Israel is in for a very rough time. The Jewish State will be brought to the brink of destruction."

When All Else Fails, Use the "A" - Anti-Semitism!


70 posted on 12/30/2010 7:27:03 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: caww; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg
*Are you anti-semitic*

You have confused anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. Even some Jews are anti-Zionist.

83 posted on 12/31/2010 11:23:19 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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