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Iraqi army builds up first tank division (M1A1 Abrams)
United Press International ^ | Dec. 21, 2010

Posted on 12/27/2010 7:02:18 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Red Dog #1

This article is so far out ATT as to be fantacy.
The work of someone who is clueless...

The Iraqis are going with a mix of used Mirage 2000s and new F16 Block 52s.

http://home.comcast.net/~djyae/site/?/blog/view/81/

If you are looking for facts vice fiction, try my blog.
I don’t write often but, I base my writings on the facts as they exist at the time.


21 posted on 12/27/2010 7:37:35 AM PST by DJ Elliott
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To: O6ret

Indeed!

“Divide and Conquer” the Muslims should be the USA foreign policy - It is INSANE for the USA to attempt “nation building” in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We should be ENCOURAGING wars between Muslim nations.


22 posted on 12/27/2010 7:37:54 AM PST by Gomer1066
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To: Lurker

We didn’t leave the nazis in charge in Germany. In Iraq the muslims remain in charge with sharia enshrined in their constitution. And Christians are being cleansed as we speak.

Mission accomplished?


23 posted on 12/27/2010 7:44:03 AM PST by LastNorwegian
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To: DJ Elliott

Thanks for the information.


24 posted on 12/27/2010 7:47:36 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Gomer1066
Modern weapon systems like everything else hi-tech in the world depends on free minds and free markets.\

Not at all. Germany under Hitler was certainly not a free country, yet had the most advanced weapons industry in the world. The Soviets ran with us for years with neither a free market or a free society. And while it many want to ignore them as copycat technology I will point out that they had the first ICBM and the Early MiGs were every bit as good, and in some cases better, than the contemporary Western fighters. And the Chinese have a booming armaments industry. Perhaps not the best in the world, but they compete well on cost. Especially for things like small arms where ultra technology isn't required. An AK-47 will kill you just as dead as an XM-8. And costs a heck of a lot less.

No the lack of a weapons industry in the Middle East is due to short term thinking. And unfortunately dictators are just a capable of long term thinking as are free men. The Japanese militarists built up the entire Japanese economy from an agrarian feudal society in order to ensure that they would be independent from foreign suppliers. They may have bought the first round of ships and guns. But the second generation was made at home.

The US military always tried to buy US made weapons, even at the turn of the century when our stuff wasn't as good or as cheap as what we could have bought from the Brits or the Germans. The Chinese built their own weapons industry rather than just buy from the Russians. This kind of thinking accepts short term disadvantage, in exchange for building an industrial base that can provide a long term foundation for an independent military. In the Middle East they only build their own when they have no other choice. Otherwise they treat their military equipment like just another expensive bauble. As one Egyptian general said after the 1967 war they practiced how to march in the victory parade instead of practicing how to win the victory.
25 posted on 12/27/2010 7:49:35 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It would be a shame if oine day we had to fight these tanks, and it is well within the realm of possibility.

We have given weapons to others before only to have them used against us.


26 posted on 12/27/2010 7:49:52 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

5 countries [US/RS/CH/UK/FR] make 70 percent of the words military weapons. 85 percent of the aircraft. Exports are how they support the industry for their military force.

The exports are ussually less capable than used domestically. E.G. the lack of DU armor on export M1A1s is the equivalent of 2 inches less of steel armor.

And certain systems are not exported. Everything we are SELLING to Iraq is 1970/1980s tech. What we are donating is 1960s/1970s equipment that we are eliminating from our inventory.


27 posted on 12/27/2010 7:58:35 AM PST by DJ Elliott
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To: GonzoGOP

I beleive most can make their own ammo.


28 posted on 12/27/2010 8:05:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Who will maintain them?

Not the Iraqi’s.

The reason they fly russian helicopters is that they cannot handle the maintenance load of the Black Hawks, 47’s and 53’s.

Someone is inline for a massive advisor/tech support contract.


29 posted on 12/27/2010 8:06:03 AM PST by lack-of-trust
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To: hoosierham

Our tax dollars at work.

Once the US leaves these weapons will be used to kill Christians, Sunnis and Kurds, not Iranians.

Why the USA politicians wasted $3 to $4 trillion dollars of taxpayer money and suffered 4,500 killed and 33,000 wounded just to build another disfunctional militant muslim terrorist state is a question for the ages.

They will not be our friends.

No matter how much we do for them and how much we spend building their army they will always remember we invaded their country and killed their fathers, sons and husbands.


30 posted on 12/27/2010 8:07:18 AM PST by Iron Munro (Claire Wolfe: Leave the government even if you canÂ’t leave the country.)
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To: Lurker
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"Germany" ... "Nazis" ... "Auschwitz" ... "Rippentroph" ...

Sadam's Two Sons ... "Mustard Gas" ... "Nerve Gas" ... "Torture" ... "Wood Chippers" ... "USS Stark" ... "9/11" ... "Palestian Suicide Bomber Financial Bonuses" ...

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31 posted on 12/27/2010 8:12:59 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: DJ Elliott
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Thanks ... You obviously know your stuff ...

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32 posted on 12/27/2010 8:17:26 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: hoosierham

Yeah, I don’t understand why we killed all those Germans and Japanese in order to build a new Army for each of them.

Rolls eyes.


33 posted on 12/27/2010 8:21:37 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Soon to be turned loose on Iraqi Christians....


34 posted on 12/27/2010 8:26:15 AM PST by onedoug
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To: hoosierham

Osama is gonna love having all those nice tanks!


35 posted on 12/27/2010 8:40:01 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

When moontarder(Muqtada al-Sadr) takes over he will really like those things.


36 posted on 12/27/2010 8:43:27 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: GonzoGOP

UN Arab Development Report( it’s on line, pdf, somewhere)

Anyway, there are about 600 million ‘Arabs’, in about 20 countries, from the Alantic to Iraq. 1-2 dollars per day per person. Half or more illiterate. Half of the countries reporting no social statistics. Total GDP for all, less then Finland, or Norway. Not one world class manufactured product or service or university.

Supposedly there is no word for ‘work’ in Arabic. Arab culture looks down on workmen, skilled trades, technicians. I knew a American tec that installed million dollar equipment in plants in the ME. The owners would never come to the floor to inspect thier capital purchase, unlike a US or EU buisness owner who would crowd around the new, expensive, productive tool.


37 posted on 12/27/2010 9:02:40 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I stand corrected.


38 posted on 12/27/2010 9:18:24 AM PST by Gomer1066
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Another great idea! /sarc

The Iraqi logistics system is still in it's infancy. They cannot maintain their HMMWV's without US assistance. These tanks will end up in Iranian hands, either by gift, or as war trophies, and with Maliki's ties to Tehran, my money is on the gifts.

39 posted on 12/27/2010 10:04:15 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: lack-of-trust

The Iraqis fly US, French, and Russian helos.
And the only reason they have Russian Mi-17s is because the US pushed them to buy them.

The reason MNSTC-I pushed the Iraqis to buy Mi-17s is because Iraq has 900 trained Mi-17 pilots/flight engineers.
[My source for that detail is Major Tony Sidoti - former MNSTC-I CAFTT. He also said they had to talk them out of buying Blackhawks. IMoD has an adversion to “Russian Junk”.]

Iraqi MoI is currently looking at buying Blackhawks.


40 posted on 12/27/2010 5:41:46 PM PST by DJ Elliott
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