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To: Benchim

WRONG.... you are uninformed.

The legal questions that were handled during the Ellsberg/Pentagon papers cases were

(1) about “prior restraint” — i.e., whether the govt could prohibit publication of classified materials beforehand (as compared with prosecutions after the fact).... the SCOTUS said that prior restraint would require a very high standard of imminent harm which (in their lofty judicial opinions) was not met in the “Pentagon Papers” case.... in fact the SCOTUS allowed prosecution of Ellsberg and Russo to proceed under the Espionage Act of 1917.

(2) the govt then botched the legally permissible prosecution of Ellsberg and Russo with illegal activities such as wiretaps, breaking into the office of Ellsberg’s psychiatrist. THAT is what got the Ellsberg case thrown out, govt misconduct.

Certainly the bar is high for prosecutions of “espionage” and the MSM has been given (in my humble opinion) too much latitude and discretion, but there is no legal precedent barring prosecutions of illegal releases of classified materials as espionage.

Anyway, Assange and Wikileaks are not themselves “media” entities by any reasonable standard — the govt would hesitate to prosecute media outlets even after the fact, given the climate of the past 40 years, but Assange may have a steep road to convince anyone that hackers and transmitters of stolen documents should themselves be treated as “press”....


52 posted on 12/17/2010 12:48:50 AM PST by Enchante (12/10/10: Obama just abdicated his Presidency to Bill Clinton at the Tax Policy Press Conference!)
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To: Enchante

“Anyway, Assange and Wikileaks are not themselves “media” entities by any reasonable standard...”

What reasonable standard? Are you implying that if I don’t meet these criteria I have no freedom of the press? If not, how does one go about getting permission to have this freedom?


66 posted on 12/17/2010 11:42:43 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Enchante

No its free speech and “press”. The internet is without any doubt “publishing” — Drudge ,Salon, Huffington?? Come on.
The only test in Ellsburg was “is the item published news worthy”? They should have executed ellsburg but there is not a centilla of evidence that Assange stole anything. But even if he did, he could publish it all day long if it was “News Worthy” . “No law shall abridge...” means NO LAW!!


81 posted on 12/17/2010 4:21:52 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Enchante; 2ndDivisionVet
Yo Enchante. Post #52. Thanks for the little history lesson regarding the Pentagon papers. You make a good case as to why this punk might be eligible for espionage charges.
PS. Now that I have retired, I plan on wading through the Able Danger Time Frame site I found recently. Should be interesting reading to say the least.
86 posted on 12/17/2010 9:40:22 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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