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To: P-Marlowe; OldDeckHand; Sola Veritas

I appreciate the support, counselor.

I separate my support for Ltc Lakin from my support for troops in the field during wartime. His missing movement could have caused serious disruption and potentially cost lives.

I didn’t want Lakin to spend even a day in jail. At the same time, I thought his decision to miss movement was ill-advised.

He should have made his only crime speaking against the legitimate authority of the commander in chief to see if it would be prosecuted.

“1.(law prevents) Commissioned officers from using contemptuous words against the President and other senior civilian government officials.” 10 US Code, para 801-904”

“A significant and much publicized military first amendment case of recent times was United States v. Howe.14 Howe, a second lieutenant stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas, was convicted of using contemptuous words against the President and conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman, in violation of articles 88 and 133, Uniform Code of Military Justice. Specifically, he had participated in a demonstration in downtown El Paso and was observed by military police while carrying a sign reading: “Let’s have more than a choice between petty ignorant fascists in 1968,” and, on the reverse side, “End Johnson’s fascist aggression in Vietnam.” “

(different case...US v Priest) “In reaching its decision, the Court relied on the Court of Military Appeals to explain the unique need of the military. The latter court stated in United States v. Priest:

In the armed forces some restrictions exist for reasons that have no counterpart in the civilian community. Disrespectful and contemptuous speech, even advocacy of violent change, is tolerable in the civilian community, for it does not directly affect the capacity of the Government to discharge its responsibilities unless it both is directed to inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce such action. In military life, however, other considerations must be weighed. The armed forces depend on a command structure that at times must commit men to combat, not only hazarding their lives but ultimately involving the security of the Nation itself Speech that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command. If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.19”

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1980/may-jun/moran.html


314 posted on 12/16/2010 5:08:04 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

“He should have made his only crime speaking against the legitimate authority of the commander in chief to see if it would be prosecuted.”

That may have been the wiser thing to do. I cannot disagree with you about that.


362 posted on 12/16/2010 6:21:44 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: xzins; Sola Veritas
As I said before, he had already been "deployed" in that he was assigned to a stateside hospital and was not complaining that Obama had ordered him stateside. But when we was deployed to Afghanistan, it was only then that he chose to raise this issue.

Essentially a deployment order in a non-combat position is more in the line of a human-resources administrative decision than an executive decision. Larkin was simply asked to do the same job ina different location (a location (Afghanistan) which had previously been selected for troop deployment by GWB under the authority of Congress).

He should have raised this issue the day Obama was sworn into office and offered his resignation.

As you said, he could have simply gone public with his assertion about the legitimacy of the president and dealt with the fallout from speaking against the president.

But obeying one order (to serve stateside) as opposed to another order (to serve overseas) is not a consistent position. He should have refused to even go into work at all, since everything he did in uniform is essentially done under orders of the president.

He had some really bad legal advise on this case. His lawyers should sit next to him in the brig for the next 6 months. They owe him that much.

378 posted on 12/16/2010 6:45:43 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins

A lot of pro hussein idiots posting on this thread. Our troops are being pawned and killed to amuse islam and the saudi king.

Nov 2008 was a coup but the drooling idiots keep watching TV’s 24x7 propaganda including Prince Al Waleed’s Fox and they think all is well. A country where the citizens have no standing. Naive fools. Lakin gets it and knows what is at stake.


554 posted on 12/17/2010 10:10:34 AM PST by Frantzie
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