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LTC. Terry Lakin Sentenced
CAAFLOG ^ | December 16, 2010 | Christopher Mathews,

Posted on 12/16/2010 1:17:21 PM PST by Cardhu

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To: BuckeyeTexan

“I wish I knew.”

I imagine they got a good laugh. Assuming they got past the part of his being in Africa for a spot of hunting living dinosaurs.


601 posted on 12/17/2010 1:22:10 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"Red claims that because the prosecution introduced Obama’s eligibility as Lakin’s motive for disobeying the order to which he plead not guilty that Obama’s eligibility is now fair game on appeal."

No. Motive is not a requisite element of Article 87. It doesn't matter why the accused violated Art. 87, just "That the accused missed the movement through design or neglect".

Clearly, there was ample evidence provided from Lakin himself that demonstrates he missed movement through design.

Of course, he can raise any issue he wishes (as a practical matter). However, that doesn't mean ACCA will find such an argument persuasive. I suspect (if raised) it will be dismissed exactly for the reason I illustrate - it's wholly irrelevant to his guilt.

602 posted on 12/17/2010 1:26:01 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Diverdogz

Oh wait... where did I say the chances of success in an appeal that Lakin would get his sentence mitigated by using Obama’s eligibility? What it would do is keep the pressure on this society to honestly vett Obama about his past and keep or crystallize the issue in the public’s conscious.


603 posted on 12/17/2010 1:26:10 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion

Post #598.

I present this as an additional example of a polite perspective from an apparently reliable and knowledgeable individual.


604 posted on 12/17/2010 1:28:54 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Of course, he can raise any issue he wishes (as a practical matter). However, that doesn't mean ACCA will find such an argument persuasive.

Right but it is an in to the appeal. It is a hail mary pass unless new evidence comes to light. Actually, they can bring anything up but likely ignored. However, the big picture is about Obama's eligibility and proving Obama ineligibility would help clear Lakin's name.

605 posted on 12/17/2010 1:35:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: El Sordo

Thanks for the anecdote!


606 posted on 12/17/2010 1:36:35 PM PST by bvw
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To: OneWingedShark
In 1798 the Supreme Court declared, in the case of Caulder v. Bull, that the Constitution’s prohibition against Ex Post Facto Law applied ONLY to criminal law or “that retroactively changes the legal consequences of acts committed or the legal status of facts and relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law.” [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_v._Bull ]

Don't you think the Supreme Court in 1798-- less than 10 years after the Constitution was ratified and when the Supreme Court included at least one Justice who had signed the Constitution--might have had some idea of what the Constitution meant?

The Congress, taking advantage of this pronouncement, passes ex post facto tax laws claiming that they are “regulatory” or “administrative” in nature and not criminal; however, when violations of these same laws are tried they are tried in CRIMINAL court. Since something cannot be both true and false simultaneously the question must be asked: are tax-laws part of criminal-law? If they are then Congress’s retroactive laws MUST be considered invalid by the Supreme Court’s ruling; if they are not then ALL criminal tax-law convictions MUST be null and void.

Most tax laws are not criminal. There are a few criminal provisions of the Internal Revenue Code. (I used to defend people against such charges.) All of the criminal provisions of the Internal Revenue Code require proof that the defendant not only violated the tax law but also that the defendant knew that was he was doing was illegal (see, for example, Cheek v. United States), so no, no one can be criminally prosecuted for violating a tax law change that was passed after he did the act he was prosecuted for.

This dilemma does not exist at all if, when the Constitution says “no ex post facto law,” it really DOES mean NO such law.

It doesn't say "no law that is retroactive in effect"; it says "no ex post facto law." "Ex post facto law" was a technical term which had a specific meaning under British common law, and the authors of the Constitution used that technical term because they wanted to adopt that well-known meaning. (Much as they used the words "Natural Born Citizen" because they wanted to adopt the meaning of the British common law term "natural born subject.")

607 posted on 12/17/2010 1:38:43 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Not quite so. Even Washington was reluctant to use irregulars like the militias.

In any case, an MD like Lakn is worth his weight in gold. Most of those in service are weighed in silver, maybe a silver-copper alloy, a billon. It takes many years to train an MD, and only a select few make it through training. To have one with experience at a war zone? Even more.

The penalty applied to Lakin is IDIOTIC in that regard. Shoot your own leg off idiotic. Doctor Lakin BEGGED to return to service.


608 posted on 12/17/2010 1:46:24 PM PST by bvw
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To: Lurking Libertarian

>Don’t you think the Supreme Court in 1798— less than 10 years after the Constitution was ratified and when the Supreme Court included at least one Justice who had signed the Constitution—might have had some idea of what the Constitution meant?

Irrelevant.
Either the Constitution means what it says OR it does not; if it does not — well then I don’t want to hear you complain about a violation of the Constitution, EVER, because the Constitution cannot be violated if it does not mean what it says.


609 posted on 12/17/2010 1:48:16 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Red Steel

Where can I send the evidence and have it qualify as “new evidence”? Who do I need to talk to, and how? It would be new evidence if the court hasn’t received the evidence that the HDOH has made a statutory admission that Obama’s BC is amended and that they thus have no legally valid BC for him, and that they have indirectly confirmed in 3 different ways that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.

The fact that even his age remains legally undeterminable without the HI BC being presented as evidence should speak to the issue of whether he met the 20th Amendment requirement of “qualifying” before being allowed to “act as President” - and the orders down the chain of command can’t be “contrary to the Constitution” in order to meet the “lawfulness” criteria for Article 92(1).

So that, for instance, if the President had not taken the oath office and could not therefore execute the duties of the office, then any orders he gave before taking the oath of office would not be lawful. If he had ordered the surge at 12:01pm on Jan 20th but didn’t take the oath until 12:05, the orders for the surge all down the chain of command would be unlawful according to the criteria of Article 92(1).

In similar fashion, if he ordered the surge at 12:01 on Jan 20th but hadn’t qualified until (never, still waiting....) the authorization for the surge would be unlawful and all the orders implementing it as well.

If they’d like evidence regarding the falsification of historical documents (newspaper microfilms) in 5 different libraries throughout the country I’d be happy to give them that too. Shows the deception involved to cover up for him, which wouldn’t be necessary if there was no problem with his documents.

And I’d be happy to give them what I’ve got concerning Nancy Pelosi most probably perjuring herself to sign the certifications of nomination by which Obama got onto the ballots in every state.


610 posted on 12/17/2010 1:53:57 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: OneWingedShark
Either the Constitution means what it says OR it does not

The Constitution means what it says. It doesn't necessarily mean what you want it to say.

It says "No ex post facto Law," which was a technical legal term that had a well-established legal meaning in 1789.

611 posted on 12/17/2010 2:00:21 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: butterdezillion

I suppose you can send it to Lakin, his brother Greg, or his defense or to all of them.


612 posted on 12/17/2010 2:00:56 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: OldDeckHand
This isn't a discussion about military law in the abstract, but rather a discussion about how military law applied to Lakin. The facts of Lakin's case are crystal clear to anyone with even a remedial understanding of military law - the lawfulness of HIS orders were a matter of law to be decided by the military judge. It really can't be anymore straight-forward.

I cited case law. It's not an abstract concept and could or should have been applied to the Lakin case.

613 posted on 12/17/2010 2:01:46 PM PST by edge919
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To: Lurking Libertarian

“Don’t you think the Supreme Court in 1798— less than 10 years after the Constitution was ratified and when the Supreme Court included at least one Justice who had signed the Constitution—might have had some idea of what the Constitution meant.”

They were all in the tank for Obama.


614 posted on 12/17/2010 2:03:47 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo; butterdezillion
They were all in the tank for Obama.

George Soros used his magic time machine-- the same one he used to plant false birth announceent in the Hawaii newspapers-- to go back in time and threaten the justices.

615 posted on 12/17/2010 2:06:12 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Much as they used the words "Natural Born Citizen" because they wanted to adopt the meaning of the British common law term "natural born subject."

As an aside, you need to make sure people understand this is just your opinion. There's no evidence that anyone wanted to adopt the meaning of the British common law term 'natural born subject.'

616 posted on 12/17/2010 2:06:12 PM PST by edge919
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To: Lurking Libertarian

>It says “No ex post facto Law,” which was a technical legal term that had a well-established legal meaning in 1789.

Please expound and explain that then. Also be sure to include why the translation [of] “after the fact” is generally inappropriate.


617 posted on 12/17/2010 2:08:04 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: edge919
"It's not an abstract concept and could or should have been applied to the Lakin case. "

Reading comprehension is not the strong suit, I see. I didn't say it was an abstract concept, I said we weren't discussing military law in the abstract. We were, and are, discussing military law as applied to Lakin's particular circumstances.

If you believe that citation is relevant to Lakin's case, then yes, I am absolutely convinced you really are Paul Jensen.

Lakin made a huge mistake. He should have kept you on board, and avoided Puckett. It's clear that your superior grasp of military law would have prevailed at trial, and stuff.

618 posted on 12/17/2010 2:08:58 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Lurking Libertarian
George Soros used his magic time machine-- the same one he used to plant false birth announceent in the Hawaii newspapers-- to go back in time and threaten the justices.

Not the dumb time machine canard again. The birth announcement did not contain a place of birth and didn't prove anything. Nobody would have needed to go back in time, even if they could. Honestly.

619 posted on 12/17/2010 2:11:03 PM PST by edge919
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To: OldDeckHand
I didn't say it was an abstract concept, I said we weren't discussing military law in the abstract. We were, and are, discussing military law as applied to Lakin's particular circumstances.

What part of 'this could have been applied to Lakin's case' are you not understanding. M-e ... t-y-p-e ... s-l-o-w-e-r ... f-o-r ... y-o-u??

Did that help??

620 posted on 12/17/2010 2:13:42 PM PST by edge919
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