Posted on 12/12/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
California contrail: Four conflicting eyewitness reports
One month after the KCBS video purporting to show a missile contrail off the coast of California went viral, a heated debate over what exactly created the contrail persists. Experts have offered convincing analysis supporting the theory that the contrail represents an SLBM launch, while internet pundits have assembled a formidable collection of evidence that the contrail was created by UPS flight 902. The debate is seemingly at an impasse, and it might be a good time to step back from the intense data analysis and review the basic facts of November 8, 2010.There are two known eyewitnesses who captured images of the contrail. Gil Leyvas is the helicopter camera man for KCBS in Los Angeles who videotaped the contrail and Rick Warren lives on Long Beach and photographed the contrail from his tenth story balcony. A 50 minute phone interview with Leyvas was obtained for this report and discussed further via email, and Warren was also contacted by email.
According to Leyvas, his video was obtained while filming a sunset view for a KCBS weather report. As he was filming, Leyvas noticed an object on the horizon that appeared to be climbing vertically out of the ocean, and he zoomed in on the object. He videotaped the contrail for a total of ten minutes and subsequently continued to view the contrail for an additional ten minutes. Leyvas maintains that the object itself that created the contrail only remained in view for two to three minutes. For 30 to 45 seconds, the object glowed brightly and then seemed to disappear from view. His initial impression was that the object was traveling east towards the coast. On reviewing the video later, he had the impression the object may instead have been heading away from the coast, towards the northwest.
The highly unusual appearance of the sunset contrail shown on TV and posted online, combined with Leyvas perception that the object creating the contrail only remained in view for two to three minutes, constitutes the primary basis upon which many observers believe the object was a Sub Launched Ballistic Missile.
Rick Warren wasnt sure what the object was that he was photographing on November 8th. I was shooting with a telephoto lens and looking through a viewfinder so I never really saw the separation of the object and the contrail until I looked at the photos, but Im sure that this whole thing lasted way too long to be a missile. I see lots of contrails from my 10th floor balcony but the difference in this one was that it seemed to be going up.
Having seen many contrails, what stood out for Warren was the vertical nature of the contrail, not that it looked like a missile exhaust plume. Some of his photos of the contrail were posted on the local ABC7 website, and were utilized by Mick West of Contrailscience.com to create a composite image of the flight progression of the object. The time stamps on Warrens photos were used to establish that the object creating the contrail remained in view for 4 minutes 43 seconds in Warrens photos. Based on altitude and position, the object first appeared in Leyvas video at least five minutes prior to Warrens photos. After seeing Wests analysis of the images, Warren says, Im now of the opinion that it was indeed a plane."
At this point, one of the most glaring discrepancies between these eyewitness accounts must be addressed. Most observers looking at Warrens images agree that the small dark object which appears at the top of each of his later photos is the same craft creating the plume that was seen in his earlier photos as well as that which was seen in Leyvas video.
If the object that created the contrail was still visible in Warrens photos, then the object itself is not likely to have been a missile. Solid fuel engines such as those used in an SLBM create an uninterrupted exhaust plume for two to three minutes, after which time the solid fuel is spent, and the missile is usually out of view.
On the other hand, when an airliner transitions from cold moist air to warmer drier air, the dew point changes and contrail formation decreases. In the case of USP902, the airliner would have been transitioning from moist cool air at altitude over the ocean to warmer, drier air over land. This could explain the contrail disappearing as the object moved farther east.
Mick West created a "chronological cut" of Leyvas video and posted it to YouTube. The transition from moist cool air over the ocean to warmer, drier air over land may have occurred at 1:17 to 1:20 of the chronological cut, which Warren referred to as the separation of the object and the contrail. When still images from Leyvas video are compared to the overlay of Warrens photos, there is a remarkable similarity and continuity between the two sets of images, providing a better time frame for Leyvas video within the context of Warrens time stamps:
When Leyvas was initially queried regarding these later photos, he replied,
the [Contrailscience composite] animation only shows the path the plume drifted and not anything in flight. The 30-45 seconds of video I captured in which I could see the object (the portion of the video showing the glow/flame of the object at its pinnacle) occurred 8-10 minutes prior to the animated images of the animation (if the time stamps are accurate). I have no way of telling if those time stamps are accurate since the raw video has no real-time time stamp associated with it. I can only go by an estimated time based on the time we launched out of John Wayne airport and the approximate time of our weather shot. My guess is that the time stamps are relatively close to the accurate time. However, what you are seeing in those images is the plume drifting and not anything in flight.
Leyvas still maintains the object creating the contrail is not visible in Warrens photos 8 to 10 minutes later:
The separate smaller trail that is separate from the main body of the plume and that was captured by Warren in his photos, which makes it seem as if the object continued in flight, appears in my video to possibly be the top portion of the plume that partly dissipates leaving a segment of the tip adrift - detached from the main body of the plume. (I highlight "possibly be" because during that portion of the video, I zoom in and out and pan off and back onto the plume, so I'm not sure if what we are seeing is a stage of separation like that of a missile or if it's the tip of the plume separating from the main portion). I did zoom into that portion to see if I could see a craft of some kind (at the time I thought that there was a chance the object was still making condensation/exhaust) but there was nothing there creating that segment. Had there been, I know I would have been able to see it with the high-powered lens I was using. Add to that - if it was traveling toward us, the closer it would come the easier it would be to see it, but there was nothing there. That's why I said it was merely the plume adrift and not anything continuously flying.
Though there was no time code associated with the raw footage I shot, you are still able to accurately time the footage from the moment I started the recording (as we departed John Wayne airport) to the final moments of the mystery missile story. When I play the video I can time the duration of the object in flight which was between 30-45 seconds of "Glow Time" - which is inclusive within, and at the end of the 2-3 minute estimated flight time from which the plume was visible at the horizon ... I can rely on the raw footage as it plays to gauge my estimated times since it plays back in real time on the player deck's control track timer.
There were also two unknown witnesses who captured images of the contrail, both anonymous posters on the image hosting website Flickr. A photographer on Hermosa Beach, north of Leyvas and Warren, uploaded a photo of the November 8 sunset and only subsequently realized he had captured the same contrail due to media reports. From his vantage point, without the setting sun directly back-lighting the contrail, it apparently appeared similar to the other contrails in his sunset photo.
Another anonymous photographer uploaded photos of clouds at sunset on November 8, and noticed a bright horizontal contrail that he subsequently associated with the media reports regarding the contrail. Notice that in the case of these latter two eyewitnesses, the first noted nothing unusual about the contrail until he read media reports about it, and the second viewed a horizontal, not vertical contrail.
Finally, the opinions of the known military experts must be taken into consideration. Several highly credible experts have stated their opinion that the contrail in question represented the launching of an SLBM.
A little further background from Leyvas might shed more light on the way the video was edited and presented to the public. Leyvas related that the video was taken during sweeps week in his TV market, and part of his job during sweeps week is to go out and look for and capture video of interest for sweeps week ratings. The video he captured of the contrail was subsequently heavily edited before being aired, and less than two minutes of the ten minutes of video has been seen by these experts. From the perspective of garnering sweeps week ratings, the footage was certainly successful.
It may be that the experts would modify their opinion based on viewing the entire footage. The footage is owned by the local CBS affiliate and nothing was found by the Department of Defense in reviewing the footage that would prevent its release to the public. According to Leyvas, it might still be available on their server. If that is the case, it should just be a matter of uploading the unedited ten minutes of video to YouTube to put an end to the debate.
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If you think those responses in context to your statements are morally equivalent to a non-specific broad brush accusation with no foundation then good luck to you. You’re going to need it.
Yeah and the Pentagon response "unlikely it was a missile"? What the hell is that? I think I deserve as a tax-paying citizen living in the area a little more definitive answer from our "protectors".
I find it odd that those who are 100% convinced either way are still here debating this issue. I come back here because I was never thoroughly convinced either way...since I actually have a life outside Freerepublic I wouldn’t be on this thread if I was. The case would be closed for me, and I would move on~
bfltr
Speaking for myself, my posts pretty much form the start on this haven’t been to “debate” with the people pushing the contrail, but to give lurkers a wider view.
Thanks
Niteflyr, I'm just the cartographer, video analyst, and graphics guy on this ad hoc "contrail team" -- and I'm just starting to gain a bit of familiarity with using Google Earth to put in 3-D what I normally do in 2-D...
However, I will say that I defy anyone to plot a path (like that of UPS 902) beginning at the "CBS 35 mile start point" and climbing northwest out over the Pacific-- and show that it bears any resemblance at all to the video and photographs of the original event.
Hint: the ONLY instance where that can be done is when you are only a minute fraction of degree south of the track and looking at it almost directly in line with it. Travel a couple of miles north or south up and down the coast, and it is obvious that the recorded object was headed inbound toward California -- not headed outbound over the Pacific.
If you look at ALL the facts, that point is indisputable. It just so happens that UPS 902 matches reality with as near perfection as can be measured with the tools at hand.
Niteflyr, what was your "take" on that Google Earth video?
Brian, what say you?
In the case of many, far enough to be totally suckered into fabricating wild speculations and ludicrous conspiracy theories based on nothing more than 12-14 seconds of video (chopped into three separate clips) that were scrambled in time sequence, looped and still-framed to make up a 40-second hoax -- (hyped as "RAW VIDEO") -- and turned into fake "news" to gain viewers for "Sweeps Week". (...hyped with the bogus chant of, "It Lit Up The Sky!!"...)
Good grief, FReepers, the culprit is CBS!!!. Has everyone forgotten "Rathergate"?
Yes, my eyes and a former air force general are all wrong and you are right...okay....whatever. The video piece I saw was not edited my friend.
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If so, you have seen a video that no one else outside CBS has seen.
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Read this FR post: RAW VIDEO: Mysterious Contrail Off Calif. (CBS's title) -- including comments #1, #21, and #34. Then please come back here, FRiend, and let us know if your statement above is factual.
Prediction: this is the last we will hear from you on this subject -- especially on this thread.
Brian, you have talked at length with Rick Warrren. Is it true that Rick "took over fifty photos of " [the contrail]?
Quit talking to the mirror, Saul.
I am only aware of twelve photos, but I never specifically asked Rick.
I’m through with this thread, by the way TXnMA. I did my best, and now I have to focus on my family and preparing for Christmas.
No one is left viewing this thread that hasn’t already arrived at firmly held conclusions, and nothing I can say is going to change firmly held conclusions at this point.
No one has less room to talk than you, Bupkis. Your second post on the subject you started the smear campaign.
To: libstripper; saganite; AllAll you conspiracy theorists can take off your tinfoil hats and stand down, now. Saganite conclusively identified it as INBOUND daily scheduled US Airways Flight 808 (AWE808) from Hawaii. Seehttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625121/posts
He even posted a photo taken at the same time the next day -- showing the exact same effect.
The fact that the plane's movement is inbound (toward the viewer) heightens the illusion that the object is ascending in the sky.
You're a pathetic loser and a whiner.
Hey, when are you going to present actual data and proof? Haven’t seen any yet. Give us the proof, who’s missile? Where was it launched? Where did it land? Why no response? Why no one on boats reported it? Why Why Why?
Come on, you have had 6 weeks, and you have presented not an ounce of data other than “that looks like a missile!”
In your heart, you know you are wrong.
Really? I'm aware of 12. Where did you read 50?
And ironically, conspiracy theorists are usually the first to mention Occam...as they ignore the simplicity of reality.
Then why don't you read the actual statement?
"The Dept. of Defense statement from Col. Dave Lapan, the Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, reads:
"While there is nothing at this time that leads the Department of Defense to believe this is a missile launch, the department and other U.S. government agencies with expertise in aviation and space continue to look into the condensation trail (CONTRAIL) seen and reported off the coast of southern California on Monday evening.
"All DoD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail. NORAD and USNORTHCOM confirmed that it did not monitor any foreign military missile launch off the California coast yesterday and has determined that there was no threat to the US homeland.
"In addition, the FAA ran radar replays from Monday afternoon of a large area west of Los Angeles. Those replays did not reveal any fast-moving, unidentified targets. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon.
"If any new information comes to light in the coming days, we will update the press and public."
I am 100% convinced there is a God in Heaven, the New World Order is not spraying the globe with chemtrails, and that Socialism in its purist form cannot compete with Capitalism in its purist form, but I'll happily debate those topics too. This isn't a running conversation. I get all kinds of things done during a FR debate that have nothing to do with computers or the internet.
Good idea!
And, may you and yours have a most blessed and joyous celebration and remembrance of our Lord's beginning of His wondrous, sacrificial ministry to us here on Earth!
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Thank you for reaching out to the ones with personal experience with this case -- and for submitting your clearly-reasoned report of it for publication! (I know you're aware of my opinion of the outcome...) LOL!
I'm continuing to use the data as a template for learning to create movies with Google Earth, and am collecting and archiving materials on the subject.
Perhaps, some day, I'll ping you to an article I have published on these "internet phenomena"... And, in anticipating your reply, I'll pray for half the grace you showed in receiving my response!
Bless you -- and for you, the highest of FR accolades:
TXnMA
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