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To: timetostand

Don’t confuse the weather and the climate or you are as bad as the the libs saying every heatwave and hurricane are proff.

Also - did you ever notice what latitude England is at? The Guld Stream keeps it warm (as it does the US East Coast). If it shuts off, it gets to be like Canada. Many climate change models also predict that.

I know it requires some deeper thinking to understand how global warming might cause some places to get cooler, but it really is within the context of reality.

Climate change HAS happened in the past and WILL happen in the future (incudling the warming of the planet leading to the cooling of Europe). The only real debate now is whether there current changes are anthropogenic or not.

To deny anthropogenic climate change is a legitimate position. To deny that the climate changes is like saying the earth is flat.


6 posted on 12/10/2010 3:33:47 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Proff = Proof


7 posted on 12/10/2010 3:34:25 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Using profanity gives people who don't want information from you an excuse not to listen.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“I know it requires some deeper thinking to understand how global warming might cause some places to get cooler”

When the climate doesn’t cooperate with the Michael Manns of the world, and the Algores and the Joseph Stalins of the world, they fabricate more “studies” to make the results fit their prior conclusions.


8 posted on 12/10/2010 3:39:47 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“I know it requires some deeper thinking to understand how global warming might cause some places to get cooler, but it really is within the context of reality.”

Do you mean like the kind of thinking that does not include the higher CO2 levels spurring plant growth and hence dampening increases in temperature in climate change computer models? I don’t disagree with most of what you posted, but please...do not get swept up with “higher and lower” thinking just because someone disagrees with what you think is correct. The point most are making here is that the so called climate science has been taken over by ideologues who have in a scientific sense destroyed the validity and hence credibility of the former science. I have not ever seen anyone here who thinks that there is a status quo on temperatures...other than those who fret and worry over so called “climate change”.


21 posted on 12/10/2010 4:00:46 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
If it shuts off, it gets to be like Canada. Many climate change models also predict that.

I have not seen many that do. The ocean circulations like the Gulf Stream depend on ice creation in the Arctic. Doesn't matter in the least how much melts as long as roughly the same amount freezes each year so that the saltier leftover water sinks to the bottom and drives the circulation. Surface alterations like Greenland meltwater will not play a role for centuries if ever.

23 posted on 12/10/2010 4:05:31 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Let me run something past you:

In order to grow, plant life needs sunlight, CO2, water and various nitrates/nitrites. The exact proportions vary from plant species to plant species. Any of the four can be a limiting factor, but as it only comprises 0.03% of the atmosphere CO2 is by far the most usual one. Therefore if the concentration of CO2 goes up, surely plant growth is going to be less constrained, photosynthesis will increase and will therefore "consume" more CO2. So therefore, isn't the problem to some extent self-correcting?

33 posted on 12/10/2010 4:14:43 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

A model must be an accurate representation of the real world. If not, it is useless -— or dangerous.


58 posted on 12/10/2010 5:38:57 AM PST by oldsicilian
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I’ve got news for you. The gulf stream doesn’t keep the East Coast warm. Maybe in South Carolina, but in the Northeast winters are very cold. It is currently 21F in Boston at 10:30am.


64 posted on 12/10/2010 7:45:54 AM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Don’t confuse the weather and the climate<<<<<<<<
Ok let’s look at sea levels - they haven’t changed where I live in 55 years how’s the sea level in your end of the tub??


65 posted on 12/10/2010 2:10:06 PM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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