[little jeremiah]

I’m referring to earlier feminists in the mid to late 18th century. They were into sexual liberation and didn’t like “regular” patriarchal marriage. That has been part and parcel of feminism since the beginning.

The earliest feminists were kooks, and as far as women voting, that would have come about anyway, without the man-haters, who have indeed been the driving force since the beginning, and still are.

[kroll]

that would have come about anyway

You are right, it would have come about anyway. Thats true for All rights, including free speech and other freedoms. They would have come about anyway. America would have been created anyway. Those founding fathers did jack-squat, since the constitution would have come about anyway. The Son of God was clearly wasting his time sacrificing himself because religion and god would have come to us anyway

FYI, this "argument" of trivializing most rights movements in the past is so common, I am pretty sick of it. So I am going to stop with posting this anymore.

Since you pretty much judged the women's rights movement almost completely based on some "feminist" pervert who hit on you, and you have offered no argument of substance except (and I am being generous here) feminist=feminazi, I have no idea why I am continuing on this so I'll stop.