Lakin's attorney: Conviction 'certain' (re: Obama's (in)eligibility)

www.wnd.com ^ | 12/2/2010 | Brian Fitzpatrick

[jamese777]

I suggest you read the federal rules of evidence. Self authenticating document procedure is never used unless the document itself is physically non existent, stolen, or otherwise missing.And generally there is a non authenticated true copy in issue.

Buahahahahahahahahaha!

JUST PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION ON FILE.

And do not forget to self authenticate yourself when you need to ,whenever you get the urge, and KY lube is cheap!

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“Under Rule 902(a) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, an exception exists for a select group of documents where no authentication is required in order for the document to be admissible as evidence. Self-authenticating documents in which authenticity is not a prerequisite to admissibility include: (i) acknowledged documents (documents that are notarized or sworn under oath); (ii) newspapers or magazines; (iii) trade inscriptions; (iv) commercial papers or documents; and (v) public records or official records with proper certification.”
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/self-authenticating_documents

At any point in time, a grand jury investigation conducted in any state where Obama’s name was on the ballot could have been convened and Obama’s original, vault copy, long form birth certificate could have been subpoenaed along with depositions or in person testimony under oath from elected and appointed officials in the Hawai’i government.

I suggest that you read Hawai’i Revised Statutues 338-18 (b) point 9 which says that a birth record can be released without the permission of the person named on the record to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

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“There have been numerous requests for Senator Barack Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai’i Revised Statute 338-18) prohibits the release of a birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
Therefore I, as Director of Health for the state of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statuatory authority to oversee and maintain these types of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the state of Hawai’i.”—Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health, state of Hawai’i, October 31, 2008.

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“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i state Department of Health verifying that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October, 2008, more than eight months ago.”—Dr. Chiyome Fukino, July 27, 2009

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“You know, during the campaign I was in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much during the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background go and personally view the birth ceritificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time stating that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawai’i. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and email and want to make it an issue.
And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction by the people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor of Hawai’i Linda Lingle, May 4, 2010.

[Candor7]

Thats right. So JUST PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL FILE!

So simple is it not?

[jamese777]

Thats right. So JUST PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL FILE!
So simple is it not?

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So you would trust a document released by Obama or under his authority? Interesting.

I would prefer to see a document released under subpoena that Obama would have nothing to do with.

However on this Monday, December 6th, Obama’s closest political ally in Hawai’i, Neil Ambercrombie becomes the new Democrat Governor and control of Obama’s birth records will be in Democrat hands for the first time in eight years.

[Candor7]

I want to see Obama’s complete Hawaii birth file certified and released to the public. There is an overiding public interest whihc is based on Article II of the US constitution.

Why not? What is there to hide?It is long overdue.

Maybe Julian Assange has it. LOL.

I am pretty sure Nancy Pelosi has it.

[jamese777]

I want to see Obama’s complete Hawaii birth file certified and released to the public. There is an overiding public interest whihc is based on Article II of the US constitution.

Why not? What is there to hide?It is long overdue.

Maybe Julian Assange has it. LOL.

I am pretty sure Nancy Pelosi has it.

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And don’t forget that the Governor of Hawai’i, the Director of the Hawai’i Health Department, the Registrar of Vital Statistics for the state of Hawai’i and the Hawai’i state Attorney General say that they have it too.

There’s no political advantage for Obama in releasing it now. He knows that the people who care about its release are those who would never vote for him in the first place.
My money is on him releasing it much closer to the next election than two years out, when it can do him some political good to make his opposition look bad.
He IS a politician, after all.

[Non-Sequitur]

Additionally, Lakin is bound by his oath and the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders and to disobey any order that violates the Constitution.

Why were orders given by three of his superior officers illegal, and how is an order to report to his Brigade Commander's office unconstitutional?

[Candor7]

Well, never has the reward been so high. I mean who would put a bounty on obtaining the whole file? Assange ,now that he has exceeded the release guidelins on US Secure documents that Assange had with Obama, and Assange is now in the Obama cross hairs? Things are developing very quickly on that issue.

I mean, a cool 3 million dollars ex jurus the USA bounty would just about do the trick.

The Canadian Government has the data. I know that for a fact according to the Prime Minister's Office.(Obama started in on Canada Free Trade harshly but all of a sudden , everything came love and lighty with Canada.)That data base is " above top secret " with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service , and only the Prime Minister and certain cabinet ministers have access to it.Maybe the vig will get high enough to obtain it.

We live in interesting times.A true copy of the Hawaii record would have a very interesting effect on the actors on the Hawaii scene.

[jamese777]

Well, never has the reward been so high. I mean who would put a bounty on obtaining the whole file? Assange ,now that he has exceeded the release guidelins on US Secure documents that Assange had with Obama, and Assange is now in the Obama cross hairs? Things are developing very quickly on that issue.
I mean, a cool 3 million dollars ex jurus the USA bounty would just about do the trick.

The Canadian Government has the data. I know that for a fact according to the Prime Minister’s Office.(Obama started in on Canada Free Trade harshly but all of a sudden , everything came love and lighty with Canada.)That data base is “ above top secret “ with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service , and only the Prime Minister and certain cabinet ministers have access to it.Maybe the vig will get high enough to obtain it.

We live in interesting times.A true copy of the Hawaii record would have a very interesting effect on the actors on the Hawaii scene.

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Let’s see if Obama’s buddy, who claims to have known Barack Obama Senior at the University of Hawaii, Governor-elect Neal Ambercrombie releases a copy for you.

[jamese777]

Why were orders given by three of his superior officers illegal, and how is an order to report to his Brigade Commander’s office unconstitutional?

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Lieutenant Colonel Lakin made a significant tactical error in disobeying rather routine orders from his direct superior officers and NOT orders that ostensibly came directly from the Commander-in-Chief. That allowed the Army to charge him with routine Article 87 and 92 disobeying and missing movement violations that have nothing to do with Obama.

Lakin should have disobeyed the final movement order to Afghanistan and not a movement order to Charlotte, North Carolina and Fort Campbell, Kentucky plus failure to report to his commanding officers’ offices.

[norton]

I love it when you talk stupid.

Candy old boy.

"One must be born on the soil of the USA to parents who are US citizens.
That’s not very complex.
Arnold Schwartzeneggar does not qualify..."

Correct, except that 'soil of the USA' would more properly read 'not under control of another sovereign'.
But the statement I responded to brings the 14th amendment into the debate and that is where the error lies!

The earlier comment implies that sons or daughters of naturalized, or emancipated, citizens cannot be president...and Arnold's kids would be eligible.

[Non-Sequitur]

Lieutenant Colonel Lakin made a significant tactical error in disobeying rather routine orders from his direct superior officers and NOT orders that ostensibly came directly from the Commander-in-Chief. That allowed the Army to charge him with routine Article 87 and 92 disobeying and missing movement violations that have nothing to do with Obama.

Lakin should have disobeyed the final movement order to Afghanistan and not a movement order to Charlotte, North Carolina and Fort Campbell, Kentucky plus failure to report to his commanding officers’ offices.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. But didn't.

[PA-RIVER]

Really, we don't need a BC to know our president is a Communist Scumbag who hates America, and that he has held three foreign citizenships. The communist scumbag in the Oval office can keep his BC.

[PA-RIVER]

How's it feel to be a Military man and salute a Scumbag with foreign citizenship who hates America and pisses on the constitution? I'm curious.

[jamese777]

Really, we don’t need a BC to know our president is a Communist Scumbag who hates America, and that he has held three foreign citizenships. The communist scumbag in the Oval office can keep his BC.

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And one of the thousands of truly great things about America is that you will have the opportunity to vote the communist scumbag out of office in November of 2012 just as 69.4 million other Americans voted the communist scumbag into office in November of 2008.
Ain’t America great?

[danamco]

Not only you have difficulty in reading the whole thing and the center piece of the Lt.Col. Lakin's heroic action, namely defending the Constitution...C O N S T I T U T I O N!

If you ever were in the military (maybe doubtful?) seems you forgot that oath or the didn't presented it to you at the enlisting time, and/or it meant absolutely nothing to you!!

Your postings are nothing but cover ups for your dear leader, the illegal alien and usurper pResident you so very much are worshiping as a FINO on these threads and muddying up the real issue as distractions by cherry picking. Or more correctly you are nothing but a simple FIFTH COLUMner in sheep's clothing. And you have certainly earned that title or as in the Nordic: "Quisling"!!!

"Lakin, a highly decorated Army doctor with over 18 years of service, was told to bring his birth certificate when ordered to deploy to Afghanistan. Lakin was perfectly willing to provide a copy of his birth certificate if President Obama would release a copy of his.

As an officer, Lakin took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

Unlike the enlisted soldier’s oath, which includes a clause to “obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me …” there is no such provision in the oath for commissioned officers.

[jamese777]

Not only you have difficulty in reading the whole thing and the center piece of the Lt.Col. Lakin’s heroic action, namely defending the Constitution...C O N S T I T U T I O N!
If you ever were in the military (maybe doubtful?) seems you forgot that oath or the didn’t presented it to you at the enlisting time, and/or it meant absolutely nothing to you!!

Your postings are nothing but cover ups for your dear leader, the illegal alien and usurper pResident you so very much are worshiping as a FINO on these threads and muddying up the real issue as distractions by cherry picking. Or more correctly you are nothing but a simple FIFTH COLUMner in sheep’s clothing. And you have certainly earned that title or as in the Nordic: “Quisling”!!!

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We’ll all soon know whether a panel of LtC. Lakin’s fellow officers agree with you or whether they agree with Non-Sequitur.
It is the Court Martial Panel’s judgement that matters and they will have the power to nullify the Judge’s rulings and find Lieutenant Colonel Lakin not guilty if they agree with your interpretation that his first duty is to the Constitution and not to his direct superior officers.

[centurion316]

If you ever were in the military (maybe doubtful?)

Non-sequitur served as a commissioned officer in the United States Navy. You, on the other hand, served in the Royal Danish Navy. You can be sure that his oath was quite different from yours.

I think Non-sequitur is far more likely to know what he is talking about than do you.

[PA-RIVER]

Poor argument?

Tell that to the beach who said Kenya is his home country.

[PA-RIVER]

Correct. The communist scumbag with three foreign citizenships who hates America can shove his BC up his colon.

We are at a 20 percent real unemployment rate. I would rather he start negotiating asylum with his home country. He can take his BC and stick it, I no longer need to see it.

[PA-RIVER]

What Lakin failed to understand is that our President is a lying scumbag weasel who can't come clean.

Going Public on the Internet and asking a deceitful lying SOB like Obama to come clean and Honor the constitution is like asking a snake to walk. Obama was born to dishonor and disrespect us and piss on our constitution. It was in his blood at birth.