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Quakertown hunter killed with high-powered rifle, DA says
mcall.com ^ | 2 Dec 2010 | Manuel Gamiz, Jr.

Posted on 12/02/2010 2:43:30 PM PST by smokingfrog

The Bucks County district attorney said a Quakertown hunter gunned down moments after he bagged a buck Monday was shot with a high-powered rifle, which is illegal for deer hunting in the county.

Barry Groh, 52, was found dead of a gunshot wound in a creek along California Road in Richland Township, two hours after he shot the nine-point, 195-pound deer and phoned his wife to tell her about his trophy kill.

An autopsy revealed Groh was shot once in the left upper arm and the bullet entered his chest, according to the district attorney's office. Police have labeled his death as suspicious, but can't say whether it was a hunting accident or something sinister.

District Attorney David Heckler said several people have been interviewed, mostly hunters, and they've been cooperative.

He said determining what type of ammunition killed Groh will go a long way in determining who fired the weapon, but investigators still haven't determined the caliber.

Heckler said rounds from a high-powered rifle are much more accurate, much deadlier and travel farther, which is why they are illegal in the county.

"Over the years, there has been a lot more development in Upper Bucks," Heckler said Thursday. "We've had shots going through people's houses."

Besides Bucks County, hunting deer with rifles is illegal in other special regulation areas such as Allegheny, Chester, Delaware and Montgomery counties.

Hunters in Bucks are only allowed to use muzzle-loaders, bows and arrows, crossbows and shotguns during hunting season, according to Pennsylvania Game Commission regulations.

Groh was using a shotgun, Heckler said.

Police said Groh was hunting alone Monday morning near California Road when he killed the buck about 10:15 a.m. They believe Groh then put his shotgun down and dragged the buck about 300 feet.

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To: smokingfrog

Could just be a hunting accident. Or could be a PETA terrorist.


21 posted on 12/02/2010 3:10:16 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Boogieman

22 posted on 12/02/2010 3:12:10 PM PST by OB1kNOb (China is now the world's ant. America has become the world's grasshopper. Fear the coming winter.)
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To: umgud

Well, compared to what? A bit better, I think, than the old style slug but nowhere near high power rifle accuracy.

They’re intended for use at “slug range” anyway, so say 100, 150 yds max.

In this case, accuracy isn’t that important if it’s an accidental shooting. We don’t know the hold point, range, visibility, or even really what the projectile is.


23 posted on 12/02/2010 3:30:07 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Cisco Nix
PETA

My first thought as well.

24 posted on 12/02/2010 3:50:32 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: smokingfrog

I did it.


25 posted on 12/02/2010 3:52:51 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: RobRoy
You remind me of a joke I heard in Louisiana.

Two CoonA$$es were talking to the game warden.

CA1: "Hey Warden, you gotta give us another month to hunt deer in."

Warden: "What'ca gonna call it?"

CA1: "What do you mean, 'Whatcha gonna call it.' We want another month to hunt deer."

Warden: "You hunt twelve months of the year as it is. If you get another month, you gotta name it."

26 posted on 12/02/2010 3:59:22 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: smokingfrog

Did you read the comments with the article?

lefties are always a class act.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 4:01:06 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
High power rifle would no doubt have a scope to enhance imagery.

Half my deer rifles are without scopes.

28 posted on 12/02/2010 4:04:35 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: MAexile
Either that, or another hunter thought he was a buck. Wearing a day glo vest...

He had taken his vest off.

29 posted on 12/02/2010 4:05:58 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: sportutegrl

That reminds me. There is an actual Coon Hunting Association near my farm. Heck, near my home in the seattle burbs, I was feedin’ a family of five a big batch of chocolate covered coffee beans that had melted together.

They got rambunctious though. At one point I was standing three feet from the trunk (stripped of branches) of a Douglas fir in my back yard, staring down a coon at about my chest height clinging to the tree trunk. I had a baseball bat in my hand, but I just could not bring myself to do it. But in Kentucky I have a completely different mindset.

That’s kinda weird.


30 posted on 12/02/2010 4:08:16 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: DBrow
Odd that they know it’s a high power rifle, but don’t know the caliber. A jacketed 50 cal round in a shotgun sabot might look like a HP round.

Since you don't know the difference, I am posting photos below to show that there is NO way they look alike. FYI, the sabot slugs are on the left and the rifle cartridge is the single one on the right.


31 posted on 12/02/2010 4:11:43 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

That rifle cartridge looks exactly like the 7.62’s my SKS uses.


32 posted on 12/02/2010 4:16:38 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: smokingfrog
Heckler said rounds from a high-powered rifle are much more accurate, much deadlier and travel farther, which is why they are illegal in the county.

So Heckler would rather you hunt with a weapon that is less accurate and less deadly? Wouldn't this mean more game animals, that if not tracked and found, would die a slow agonizing death.

He should have said that due to population density, weapons with a shorter range are mandated to decrease the risk of an errant bullet hitting nearby citizens or property.

33 posted on 12/02/2010 4:24:20 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: smokingfrog

“...he bagged a buck Monday was shot with a high-powered rifle, which is illegal for deer hunting in the county...”

so am i the only one who sees a problem with this sentence?


34 posted on 12/02/2010 4:24:43 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: umgud

In specialized shotguns, much more accurate than the old “punkin’ ball” slugs. Capable of 3” groups at 150 yards.


35 posted on 12/02/2010 4:28:10 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: IMR 4350

KITTYLOVER2 and Filthy_Rat seem to be enjoying themselves.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 4:36:37 PM PST by smokingfrog ( ><{{{{{(0>)
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To: scottdeus12

Deceased shot his deer with a shotgun.
Someone else shot him with a high powered rifle.
Rifles are not supposed to be used in densely populated areas.


37 posted on 12/02/2010 4:44:18 PM PST by smokingfrog ( ><{{{{{(0>)
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To: SeeSac

You did not show a jacketed sabot round. I’ve seen 30 cal and 375 cal tips in sabots.


38 posted on 12/02/2010 5:16:57 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SeeSac

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/01/04/remington-accutip-bonded-sabot-slug/


39 posted on 12/02/2010 5:23:02 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SeeSac

http://www.diyballistics.com/image/SNC12199.JPG

Here is a hollowpoint projectile fired into gel.

It’s a solid copper hollowpoint sabot shotgun slug.


40 posted on 12/02/2010 5:28:28 PM PST by DBrow
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