Posted on 11/26/2010 8:45:17 AM PST by Kaslin
Where is all the Kimchi?
Ther is a serious kimchi shortage!
I'm sure they are. However, unlike Buchanan, most of them support the continued existence of Israel.
Prolly best to spend that money on GM and Obamacare.
Agreed.
Why cannot Japan defend herself?
Because S. Korea, N. Korea, China, the Philippines, etc. would have an absolute cow if Japan fully rearmed to defend itself.
Our presence there, and in Korea, is for the same reason we keep a presence in Germany, to keep everyone calmed down...
The SK military would need no help to fend off a NK invasion.
+1
I’ll throw my lot in with you on this one.
Frederick the Great said “he who defends everything, defends nothing.”
While this quote is not entirely applicable to the current situation, it’s one worth remembering. Because that’s the USA. Trying to defend everything, everywhere.
Pat Buchanan is correct. If we don’t pull back, we will bankrupt overselves. Add to that the danger of becoming involved in wars where our national interest is not at stake. Think Bosnia, for example.
Other folks here say a pullback will embolden tyrants, and they have a point.
But it is just as likely that a pullback will force our allies to step up and do more in their parts of the world. Think Japan, for example.
The only reason why SK would need help to fend off an NK invasion is . . . Chinese proxies.
A side note on #3:
America was threatened. The Zimmerman telegram was Germany’s offer to Mexico to invade America with their support should the US enter the war. They would reclaim territory lost in the Mexican/American war. This isn’t as silly as it sounds today because Mexico’s military was bigger than ours at the time. With German military aid it was not an outlandish idea.
However, Mexico passed. What they knew, and Germany didn’t figure in, was the the Second Amendment. That meant every armed American would be gunning for them. We’d been to Mexico City before, and they remembered that far more than the lost territory they never really governed in the first place.
The Germans and the French won’t stand up to increasingly re-invigorated (and frankly, fascist leaning) Russia.
If we are not the major player in continental Europe, Russia will be.
What we should do is stay in these places...and (somehow) make them pay for our peace-keeping there.
Honest to God.
I had an little discussion with my brother yesterday about all this stuff.
He was all disgusted with the USA “imposing” itself on the world.
I said JR. If we dont do it the Chicoms will win, and if you think they will be more benevolent masters than us, you are in for a shock.
All the blather about how we are imperialist SOBS LOL
You want to see Imperialist, Ruthless SOBs? Look to China.
Bingo
The reason for the buildup in guam is because japan don’t want our sh*t on their island anymore.
My old adversary Ivan.
“Ivan Attitude”
LoL He’s been trying to get folks to think he is reasonable these past 20 years, but he’s the same old bear.
Harry S. Truman?
But once Germany started moving the needle and it looked like they would be able to negotiate a favorable peace, something needed to be done.
“What we should do is stay in these places...and (somehow) make them pay for our peace-keeping there.”
If we stay, it will contribute to our economic collapse, which won’t be very much prettier than a military collapse.
...unless we are smart enough to take your suggestion and make them pay for our protection.
Perhaps NATO could assess some sort of fee on its members, based on the number of troops in their countries. The fees could then be transferred to the countries providing the troops.
Indirect enough not to cause nationalistic hard feelings, maybe.
So what if they don’t stand up to Russia?
They won’t stand up to the Muslims, either in their own countries or to terrorists.
It is their continent and if they want to self-destruct, let them.
The US can no longer run around holding everybody’s hand like they are some welfare basket case that needs to forever suck on the US tax payer’s and US military’s teat.
Public opinion is a fickle thing.
The Japanese Gov wants us there. The SK gov wants us there.
The public with all the freedoms we afford them tends to forget what things would be like if they had to fight.
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