[Zathras]

I'm with you!

FR is in danger of moving to a model similar to DU where voices of reason are stomped on.

To make headway on abortion which would keep social conservatives happy REQUIRES capturing the Presidency, House and 60 seats in the Senate.

Bush made the mistake of attacking the conservative base. Lets not make the same mistake by attacking the independent voter who helped us pick up 60 house seats which really only brought us to where we were in 2004.

I am pro-life but also becoming more of a realist and concentrate on cleaning up RED states before we tackle BLUE.

I do believe someone once said something about removing the mote in your own eye before you help someone else with their problem.

We have infiltration problems within the NRA, Churchs of all denominations and the Republican party at both state and federal level. This should be where we concentrate our efforts.

[metmom]

I'm with you! (domenad)

FR is in danger of moving to a model similar to DU where voices of reason are stomped on.

Voices of reason? You mean like pro-abortion ones like domenad who just went down in flames?

You like to live dangerously, I see.

[bcsco]

Voices of reason? It’s unreasonable to expect that conservative voices demand our representatives fight against abortion? Do you have any clue as to what you’re saying?

If you think it’s more important to sell our souls to achieve super majority status in the Senate, than to live by our beliefs, then you’re a collaborator in all the worst sense of that word.

[BlackElk]

We have "infiltrators" on FR as well. When they are well-enough identified, management tends to remove them quite efficiently. I am a Catholic. My Church should excommunicate publicly each and every publicly identified pro-abort but the bishops move with far less efficiency than does FR management. In any event each pro-abort "Catholic" is self-excommunicated by Canon Law. Purging each pro-abort in the GOP (a verrrrry worthwhile idea) is yet more difficult because in states like Illinois there is no party registration and in other states, there would be interminable and expensive lawsuits. One joins the NRA by filling out a membership application and sending in the dues. Purging the NRA membership is an impossibly complex task. Change the NRA rules, put Larry Pratt (Gun Owners of America) in complete charge of NRA and I bet he would make progress efficiently.

Capturing the presidency, the House and the 60 or more Senate seats requires engaged social conservatives who are the base of this movement. Give them no reason to expect progress on social issues and you can kiss those goals and your tax cuts goodbye.

It is not a voice of reason to tolerate the continued slaughter of the unborn. We are conservatives. We are not mere shifty amoral opportunists. If we stomp on those who are, then that stomping is part of who we are and hopefully always shall be. AND there is no moral equivalency between DU and FR. When people are stomped or even purged here, it is because they are resisting what is objectively good and true and right. At DU, they stomp the good, the true and the right.

How's this for a mote in the eye of every American? 50+ million slaughtered innocent babies. If we are not about removing that mote from the eye of our nation, then we deserve to be destroyed.

That none of the tasks you propose (purging this, that, and the other) is likely to be achieved is the key to your suggestion which amounts to: Until we have succeeded in making a square circle, we must not yet save any babies or continue tMo press the issue which may upset the baby killers. Poor dears!!! Message to Obamao and to you: we are not bitter clingers and we are not a flat earth society. We pro-lifers (and social conservatives) are normal people who have our priorities in proper order. Social issues are highly important and more so than mere money issues. It may well be that your personal taxes are an injustice. Nonetheless, the brutal slaughter of even one innocent child with the slaughter being protected by gummint in our name is an infamita! Money can wait and will be back on the table for review after each and every election and indeed with the consideration of each and every budget, federal, state and local. We will survive but, if we leave the abortionists to their grisly work, the babies will not survive. Those aborted are dead to this earth now and for as long as the earth shall last, a bit more drastic injustice than even big bracket tax rates.