Posted on 11/14/2010 3:38:40 PM PST by kristinn
And what libertarians are doing is forcing THEIR morality on the rest of society.
SOMEONE"s morality is going to define what society's morality is going to be. There is no morally neutral or morally *free*. Lack of Christian morals is immorality and it WILL have an impact on society, just as we're seeing now.
Are you blind to what's been going on in out society as the Biblical values and morals this country was built on has been abandoned? It's because of the abandonment of morals regarding sexuality that the homosexual movement has gained so much power and is now using the federal government to regulate things that it has no business regulating. It's gotten to the point where the federal government is granting special privileges to homosexuals. That's decreased government interference? Really?
We've abandoned morality regarding the sanctity of human life that is based on the Judeo-Christian value and moral system and look where it's got us. Abortion on demand and now death panels in obama care. How's that for less government interference?
Abandoning Christian morals and values only results in MORE government interference as the government is forced to implement external controls to protect society and try to keep it from coming apart at the seams and as it attempts to implement the immoral wishes of he perverted minority on a moral majority that doesn't want them.
Agreed. It's why I've gotten involved using people I've met here. From basil in Texas to Minnesocold up here in MN. How do we reverse that damage without making other mistakes in the process though? That is what has me worried.
The homosexualist/abortionist/environmentalist, anti-Christian, anti-Jew, gun-grabbing, open-borders, big government, big spending, big taxing repressive progressive/socialist agenda is all one huge massive worldwide Marxist totalitarian movement. We have to fight and defeat the whole enchilada on all fronts or lose our asses (and our freedom)!!
You won't find a more Pro-2A poster on your forum. As I continue to restate, "If it is human, killing it is murder!" and should be treated as such. I even VOLUNTEERED to help police the border if the local Sheriffs called us up and organized us. My wife is part Jewish and we're raising our kids Lutheran.
Dang it Jim... We aren't disagreeing on anything. So what's the beef? Why call ME a Marxist?
You have been attacking social conservatives on FR for a long time.
Why?
You are dreaming if you think the house can ‘turn this economy around’! Just what do you think they are actually going to get done?
The only real solution is God’s forgiveness, grace, and protection, but he can not forgive our nation if it doesn’t quit promoting abomination and sacrifices of babies to Ba’al.
Illegal? I’m ok for them to go out of business. I’m ok with them being tried and jailed (or even executed) as an accessory to child rape.
As for illegal, there is that pesky First Amendment thing. Find me a way to reason around that one and I’ll agree. A lot of things in print out there that probably shouldn’t be. Doesn’t mean I want to see book burnings come back in vogue.
So basically you are saying that “How To” manuals for pedophiles should not be made illegal. So you think that for the first almost 200 years of this country they were wrong about making such material illegal?
Dangerous power for a FedGov to have. As we are currently seeing with the Gay Lobby, the Envrio-nuts, the gun-grabbers, and every other Leftist group out there.
Limited FedGov. Art 1 Sec 8. Nothing else. Leave EVERYTHING else up to the States.
As it should be.
Does THAT sound "Marxist" to you?
“Hard Dominionists believe all of this, but they want the United States to be a Christian theocracy.” —Chip Berlet
“So we become a Christian Theocracy. We wouldn’t be a ‘free’ Nation, but we’d certainly be ‘moral’. Right?” —Dead Corpse
So that’s where you get your talking points, Comrade Corpse?
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From Coyoteman?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2154313/posts?page=403#403
I just don't want our GOVERNMENT trying to mandate every little aspect of our lives. Is that so frakkin' hard to understand? If WE are in power, that is one thing...
What happens when THEY are in power?
Abortion on demand. Gay lifestyle taught in schools. TSA pat downs of 3 year olds...
GET THE PICTURE?
I didn’t. I simply warned you against using Marxist arguments against us.
And abortion IS murder by the way. And as it is, the federal government, OUR federal government, unconstitutionally sanctions and funds it with OUR tax dollars stolen from us by the point of a gun. That is not Liberty!!
Do you not see how narrow your take is on “how do we treat our poor”? How can you say it is a troll remark? Do you think your opinion is the only one?
IMO, our poor are subsidized, bought off and on the government teat for generations (why? because they can't take care of themselves, sarcasm).......encouraged to stand on street corners, encouraged to have many, many children, collecting all the more federal money. Our poor have dignity, and the system in this country has done everything it can to dehumanize, and erase the dignity from the poor. And poor, BTW, doesn't have any particular color.
Look, I’m not going to argue with you about it. DON’T STOOP TO USING MARXIST TALKING POINTS AGAINST US!!!!
Hello....
When we had laws against sodomy and porn we had less federal government power. Look back at history.
That stuff is now not outlawed and now we have more federal government interference than ever.
Tell me how making how to manuals for molesting little kids is going to give the government MORE power when historically such laws came at the time that the government actually has less power.
Your argument and reasoning are failing big time and you don't get it.
Tell me how making how to manuals for molesting little kids illegal is going to give the government MORE power when historically such laws came at the time that the government actually has less power.
Liar. I spoke EXCLUSIVELY about state rights and sodomy laws. I even gave you links. And YOU called me a nanny-stater.
Look, if you want the kind of limited federal government we had when this country was founded, you have to accept the moral atmosphere as well. They go hand in hand.
You cannot have limited government with no moral restrictions. It doesn’t work. The only result is going to be anarchy, which is going to result in the implementation of a tyranny to keep order.
If society is not kept stable by the internal moral controls of the citizenry, then the government has to step in and control externally.
And the only moral system which works and allows for a free, little regulated society is is the Biblical Judeo-Christian one.
Can I try some reverse psychology?
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What happens when WE are in power?
NO MORE Abortion on demand. NO MORE Gay lifestyle taught in schools. NO MORE TSA pat downs of 3 year olds...
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So please. Tell us. If us so-cons were in power and put these ideas into law...
Just what bothers you about this?
“I just don’t want our GOVERNMENT trying to mandate every little aspect of our lives.”
Really? I’d suggest you go back in time to a period of the US history where this platitude was possible. But you could not.
So can you at least wish for the good old days when abortion and sodomy WAS illegal? You know - when those nanny-stating so-cons were in control?
Jeepers...
They don't want to make it about "social issues"?
Fine. Since marriage still remains between a man and wife just about everywhere that means they are going to give up trying to change that right?
See, "social issue" has disappeared.
And how about judges? Roe is a fantastic litmus test. I said this on another post but a judge who wants to scrap Roe is not going to give an illegal in-state tuition or your home to a drug company.
See, no "social issue". Just a simple jurisprudence "fiscal conservative" tax and property matter.
As with all things good and right which God creates man chooses to step outside Gods plans and purposes....and will justify the “behavior” to himself until his mind and heart are seared. God gives us these parameters to not only bless us but important we see these as protecting us. When man chooses to breach these walls of protection the enemy of mens souls, like a roaring Lion pounces on his pray...death follows.... Aids kills...abortion kills.
Neither of these would be an issue if the restraints once lived by were practiced. Instead people treat the sexual union as if it is a “right” in itself...and this at any age. But we all know fully well it was designed to be practiced within the bounds of marriage for a reason. The evidence it is no longer done so continues to run the course of which it leaves illness, psychological problems and dead bodies in it's wake.
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