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To: wideminded
Why don't you show the video to some people who teach and understand perspective and lighting as per earth's horizon and sunlight -- not an armchair theorist who will "do the math" because it's a hobby and they have an agenda to prove how much smarter they are than the idiots who think a conspiracy is going on, but someone who actually makes a living by understanding lighting and perspective. Ask them what direction the object is heading, given the info that it is taken at sunset off the West coast. Don't ask them what it is -- ask them what direction it is headed, as that is the question they are most qualified to answer.

You can throw every kind of east-bound airplane into the discussion, and it's like tossing in an ice cube into a boiling pot -- it creates the illusion of substance but ultimately, it's nothing but a whisp of steam. The fact is this: the object in the video was heading north west, more exactly, west north-west. The angle of the sunlight illuminating the moving object says so.

The aerospace and military folks who have reassured you that this was an airliner. I am no idea, but perhaps you can tell me: have ANY of them also said that the object was headed east?

Can anyone on this thread link to a sourced written quote or a video interview where one of them actually states that the object in the video was headed East? I know you can produce quotes and video where they say it wasn't a missile and that it was "probably" an airplane. Where are those pros, those guys with their reputations on the line, willing to go out on a limb and state unequivocally that the object in the video was headed east?

People who recognize that very material, physical essential of the story told by a setting sun and the shadows it puts on an object heading toward it, understand that what we're seeing here is an agressive and sophisticated effort to convince good and understandably gullible Americans of a lie.

For those of us who unhappily see that: WE would be just as gullible if the discussion was of something with which WE had only theoretical or armchair knowledge and zero real experience. For me, that could be a tornado or a harsh winter, neither of which I know a darned thing except what I've read in books or seen in films.

It should scare you and wake you up. Instead, you side with people who resort to personal attacks, i.e. calling people like me "conspiracy kooks!"

That, too, should tell you something. The cameraman filmed it because HE knew it wasn't an airliner, and because HE knew it was headed north-west (you can hear for yourself: he says it was headed "west" in a video interview that has been linked on this thread). For the past 11 years, that cameraman has made his living in probably one of the most competetive markets in the world. He didn't get there by being stupider than armchair theorists who've never seen a missile launch.

1,390 posted on 11/18/2010 11:41:02 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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Actually, the exact words of cameraman Gil Leyvas in this CBS 2 TV Los Angeles news broadcast of Nov. 9, regarding the object Leyvas filmed on Nov. 8:

"It was unique, it was moving, it was growing in the sky. As I zoomed in I used a two-times extender on the lens to get a closer look, and you could tell that the object, whatever it was, was spriraling up in the sky. You could see the clouds were kind of swirling and as I zoomed in and got tighter on it, it appeared that it was spinning and going in a westerly direction.

"Well, I realized that it was something that we saw earlier from the week before -- we saw something very similar the past Thursday, and immediately I realized that it was something very similar, and called on the 2-way there to our assignment desk to let them know that we were seeing it again. It's not as dramatic as the one from yesterday -- the one from yesterday was pretty spectacular. Like I said, it was growing in nature and continued to fly up into the sky, and at one point it seemed to separate. The smoke or the plume seemed to stop and then continue further up in the sky and then finally disappear."

1,398 posted on 11/18/2010 4:31:58 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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