Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.
Not the same contrail/plume lighting. Lighting is the key. Our government is omnipotent, but they cannot control the sun.
Correct...that is no way a UPS into ONT...more ridiculous than an eastbound heavy into PHX...
Similarity now, what happened to, I have a web cam image that is identical ?
Hedging your bets is a wise move.
Let the games continue !
Hey, Ape, I’ve got a question, pretty much what I just asked Niteflyr. Wouldn’t the plane have had to drop altitude and speed pretty significantly before getting here at a distance of 125 miles? Or are you saying that because it’s a cargo plane, it takes huge, fast drops in altitude on approach?
Yes, odd that no one has interviewed him again or asked to see the whole video uncut and unedited.
I know CBS has the rights to the video but they are only adding to the confusion by withholding it. That seems to be an MSM trait.
Well I asked to see it whole and uncut but my guess is that CBS is not listening to me ...
Classified. Numerous experts have speculated that it was classified. Have you ever been through a debriefing ?
Why was it ridiculous? My thought was (other than the obvious point that it's headed easterly ... oops! Say ... how long do you think it will take somebody to conjure up a legit flight heading northwest as a plausible explanation? I mean, they can't quite change the sun or start reversing negatives, so ...) ... anyway, I figured, because of watching planes, that again, it would be high, but not so high you couldn't definitively ID it as a plane with visual aid or magnification -- like a pair of binoculars.
*gulp*
... math!
Which ones?
I have threads and posts for all and I think a quick search by you will easily find the originals...
... did common sense suddenly take a hike with these folks?
Yes.
one of those big jets significanly drops speed and altitude approaching busy airspace to land at an airport 125 miles away, doesn’t it? I mean, way too low and slow to be mistaken for a missile by anyone who’s actually SEEN a missile?
Correct...that is no way that is a UPS into ONT...more ridiculous than an eastbound heavy into PHX...
Wait a second there. I may have missed the latest DoD position but as late as last Friday they were couching their opinion in "it's probably an airplane." At that time they were making no definitive statement other than "it's no threat" although they never gave any reason as to why they were sure of that.
You can use AWE808. It arrives 30 minutes ahead of UPS902. And just like UPS902 it stays at cruising altitude > 29,000 feet while over the ocean. On the day of November 8th AWE808 was already over Catalina Island 14 minutes before the event was spotted 35 miles SW of LA. So we are absolutely certain that is was not AWE808. 100 %. It actually crossed over California mainland at 17:06:00 on that day. Well before the event. BTW - it took 4 1/2 minutes to get from Catalina Island to the California mainland in OC.
Simple: the ones in the two post to which I posted the requests.
I sure wish they'd just smiled slyly and said, "no comment." It would have indicated more respect for and confidence in "the people."
No, he didn't say that. It is very easy to confirm exactly what he said. Listen to the very short interview with him.
"...spinning and going in a westerly direction." He also says "...it continued up into the sky and finally disappeared." If it had been approaching him, especially for a landing in LA, it should have been easy to see as it got bigger and descended.
OK
that was my confirmation of what I also had seen in the video ( I had seen it much earlier)
and it was posted up thread here by TigersEye, not me.
It was on the CBS web site, under “Morning Show” and posted here under “link” and it was clickable.
No doubt. Their enigmatic and contradictory opening statement of "we don't know what it is but it's no threat" created confusion and doubt not confidence.
I just wanted to keep it straight that the gov has not stated unequivocally that it was an airplane or get caught up if I was behind on their position.
The relevant question is not how many flights were coming from the same direction, but how many people in the entire LA airspace were in a position to see the contrail/plume seen by the news helicopter. These people/aircraft could be travelling in any direction that would allow viewing of this from their windows.
Since some of the helicopter shots show land, it is clear that one did not have to be far out over the deep ocean to witness this phenomenon.
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