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Red ink for post office: $8.5B lost last year
Virginian-Pilot ^ | Nov. 12, 2010 | RANDOLPH E. SCHMID

Posted on 11/12/2010 3:22:43 PM PST by fightinJAG

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1 posted on 11/12/2010 3:22:45 PM PST by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG

Like the Pony Express, the Postal Service, as a quasi-government entity, has become OBE (overcome by events; specifically, technology and the better and cheaper service provided by private shippers).

You know it’s bad when they release the loss figures at 5:48 p.m. on Friday night of a holiday weekend.

Oh, and note that the USPS is currently renegotiating its contracts with the UNIONS. I see a pattern here.


2 posted on 11/12/2010 3:24:51 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: fightinJAG

...and on part of my DEFUND from taxpayers wishlist:

Planned ParentHOODS,
The United Nations,
AMTRAK,
USPS,
NPR


3 posted on 11/12/2010 3:27:51 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: fightinJAG

I do not understand why the postman comes more than 2 times a week, that would be plenty. They could cut out 2/3 of their workforce.


4 posted on 11/12/2010 3:30:13 PM PST by Jolla
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Notice that USPS pays employees' and retirees' medical insurance AHEAD OF TIME ~ YEARS AHEAD!

Without that payment they'd been quite close to break even.

Add to that the fact they've already been overcharged $75,000,000,000 for federal retirement due their employees when they retire, I'd suggest that they were already "defunded" long ago.

Without these USPS overpayments and advance charges the federal government would be 1/10 of a trillion dollars more in the hole.

You really should study up on this stuff before demonstrating you know nothing.

5 posted on 11/12/2010 3:39:32 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Jolla

Then you’d not get your junk mail on time.

oh, the horror.


6 posted on 11/12/2010 3:54:15 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: fightinJAG

Note my tagline....


7 posted on 11/12/2010 4:01:54 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: fightinJAG

Kill the Beast. Contract with private companies for mail delivery.


8 posted on 11/12/2010 4:03:46 PM PST by iowamark
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To: Jolla

U-N-I-O-N-S.

The Post Office should be bought up or somehow go into partnership — with no more taxpayer subsidies — with FedEx and UPS so that post offices can be used primarily as post box facilities for shipments.

Ship to a (former) post office box and your package stays nice, dry and secure until you are ready to pick it up. Many more locations and more convenient that FedEX pickup points.

Otherwise. Buh-bye.


9 posted on 11/12/2010 4:10:48 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: iowamark

Yes.

This falls into the category of “we can do this ourselves now, thank you very much, U.S. Government.”

There was a time, long ago, when the logistics and dangers of transporting the mail required government assistance. Those days are over.

The Government doesn’t even mail checks to its welfare slaves anymore! They hang around Wal-Mart waiting for the clock to strike midnight because that’s when the millions upon millions of Electronic Benefit Transfers are made simultaneously at the beginning of each month.

Tax returns? Um, electronic. Or you could use FedEx, etc.

There is simply no justification any more for the USPS. It needs to be gone. Any utility it has can be performed better, cheaper and more responsively by the private sector.


10 posted on 11/12/2010 4:14:58 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: fightinJAG

They’d need to cut about 165 thousand positions assuming 50k per position. Interesting to see their former cut in the right ballpark.


11 posted on 11/12/2010 4:16:32 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The USPS is self funding, is it not?


12 posted on 11/12/2010 4:21:00 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: fightinJAG

Several million stamps are purchased by stamp collectors, meaning they paid for a service they didn’t use. If all the stamp collectors out there used what they had in their collections, the USPS would be bankrupt.


13 posted on 11/12/2010 4:22:41 PM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Yes, the USPS is self funded. Taxes do not support the USPS. Don’t want to contribute to those “outlandish” salaries and benefits? Don’t use the USPS. Feel better now Wobbly? I wish I had UPS’s retirement package!


14 posted on 11/12/2010 4:31:55 PM PST by ltrman61
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To: fightinJAG
The Post Office does not receive taxpayer subsidies and has not for some years. It used to be reimbursed for the cost of allowing Congress-people to frank their mail but that stopped along with the subsidies for allowing the blind to mail for free.
The problem with the USPS is Congress. First USPS asked to stop prepaying retirement funds when it was proved they had overpaid significantly. Congress let them stop paying $1.7B per year for that but made them set aside $3B to be used as Congress dictated. Then USPS asked that the 1971 Postal Reorganization. Act be rewritten to take technological changes into consideration. Congress responded by making them prepay the retirement health benefits for all their employees - in 10 years! The annual payment is $5.3B. This has been going on since 2007 with no help in sight. If Congress was trying to bankrupt USPS they could not have come up with a better plan.
15 posted on 11/12/2010 4:34:48 PM PST by ManORight
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To: ManORight

Wow, thanks for that information. I had no idea, so obviously was running my trap without a license. ;) Based on what you’re saying, things are even worse than most people realize.

What I take from what you’re saying is that Congress more or less could see the writing on the wall, that being that the Post Office was going to be an expensive anachronism that could not be justified for too many more years, much less decades.

Therefore, Congress said before the USPS goes out of business completely, so to speak, it better pay up to its retirees into the future.

UGH.

This is no more than telling a company that needs to restructure or even go out of business that it is not allowed to because it has to pump money into retiree benefits and pensions. I know it’s tough if your company goes out of business and can’t pay your pension, but stuff does happen.

I think this is a matter that we need to get Republican attention on ASAP.


16 posted on 11/13/2010 12:57:19 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: fightinJAG
The USPS are total slackers. Why, Fannie Mae managed to lose more than $18 billion in just one quarter last year (article). And you have the nerve to call yourself a quasi-government entity!
17 posted on 11/15/2010 2:47:26 PM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: muawiyah

Golly, if you think it’s unfair for the Postal Service to contribute to the Civil Service retirement fund, maybe the poor overworked and underpaid postal employees could push for repeal of the private express statutes so they could compete in the real world.


18 posted on 11/15/2010 2:58:13 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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Postal employees contribute to the federal retirement system just like everybody else.

At the same time the Postal Service has been required to "over contribute" to the tune of $75 billion.

So I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.

19 posted on 11/15/2010 3:34:02 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: fightinJAG
Hmm. I once worked up an analysis of how many square miles of brand new parking lot would be needed if postal customers had to stop by once a week to get their mail.

it's a huge quantity. Plus, you'd need postal police patrols.

The savings aren't as great as you imagine.

20 posted on 11/15/2010 3:36:40 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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