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To: butterdezillion

But the point of this case is that Vice President Cheney and the joint session of Congress did NOT lawfully certify Obama as the winner of the electoral vote.

And they clearly didn’t. The requirement of the law is clear and it didn’t happen. It is required that they ask for any objections, and they didn’t.

We’re talking about a country which lets obviously guilty people go free if the police fail to follow to the letter the exact procedure of reading the exact words of a Miranda warning.

Use that standard.

Obama has never been LAWFULLY declared the winner of the electoral vote.

When you realize that, you see that it may be Chief Justice Roberts who has to recuse himself as well, because the entire superficial “legitimacy” of Obama stands on the image of Roberts - without LEGAL reason to do so - swearing in Obama. What Roberts did was unlawful. He can’t just swear in somebody who has never been lawfully declared to be the electoral winner.

If Roberts swore me in would I then be the POTUS? I’ve never been lawfully declared the electoral winner or qualified, but then neither has Obama so what’s the difference? Why would it be considered a coup if he swore me in but considered a “de facto officer” if he did it to Obama? In a legal sense, what exactly is the difference?

How can Obama be a de facto officer when the step to declare him the electoral winner never fulfilled the legal requirements?


Did you win enough of the primary elections of your party? Did you compete in the general election campaign for a year and a half? Did you garner 69,456,897 popular votes? Did 365 members of the Electoral College vote for you? Did your closest competitor in the general election concede to you? Did the President of the Senate count your electoral votes? Did the House and the Senate confirm your Electoral College votes without WRITTEN objection? Did you take the Oath of Office administered by the Chief Justice?

Those steps are a very unlikely for a “coup!”

Someone would have had to file a charge that the law was violated. No one has filed such a charge. If you drive 65 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone and no cop pulls you over, you broke the law but there is no effect to your law breaking.

Former Vice President Cheney would say that since objections had to be submitted in writing and since no written objections had been received, calling for objections was moot. Furthermore, any of the 535 members of Congress could have stood and raised a point of order concerning a call for objections, none did.

Obama is a “de facto officer” because he has operated with presidential authority for a year and ten months now. He has signed bills into law that are in force; he has signed treaties with foreign governments; he has ordered troops into harm’s way that are in harm’s way. He has addressed both Houses of Congress and the caucuses of both major parties and he has appointed hundreds of officials to positions in the government that have been confirmed by the US Senate and have taken their posts.

“The de facto officer doctrine confers validity upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person’s appointment or election to office is deficient.” [Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 440 (1886).]

“The de facto doctrine springs from the fear of the chaos that would result from multiple and repetitious suits challenging every action taken by every official whose claim to office could be open to question, and seeks to protect the public by insuring the orderly functioning of the government despite technical defects in title to office.” [63A Am. Jur. 2d, Public Officers and Employees § 578, pp. 1080-1081 (1984)]


83 posted on 11/08/2010 5:33:28 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Here you go.

"The de facto officer doctrine (DFOD) would not save Obama or the Dems from destruction. If the truth ever became evident, we would see a conspiracy to commit fraud and obstruction of justice. In all the cases, the officers in question became known after the fact...that the defendants found out later that the officers had no right to their offices. Millions of people have known otherwise that Obama was not eligible, and numerous of court cases have been filed against Obama for more than 2 years.

You couple the obstruction of justice charges and conspiracy to commit fraud along with the public have known for a very long time Obama was ineligible, it is inconceivable that Obama is covered under the de facto Doctrine. Judges could try and expand legal reasoning for the DFOD. In the words of X-judge Alcee Hastings, 'We make crap up' to "mitigate the damage" they would think could happen to the country. But politically Obama and the Dems would be done. You could stick a fork in them. "

And the funds that pay Jammmesseeee could go dry.

84 posted on 11/08/2010 5:36:22 PM PST by Red Steel
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