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For those going to College: Engineering, Computer-Science Pay More Than Liberal Arts
Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/25/2010 | Joe Light

Posted on 11/04/2010 9:14:31 AM PDT by WebFocus

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To: WebFocus
How do you get a liberal arts major to leave?

Pay him for the pizza.

How does an education major spell "farm?"

E-I-E-I-O

21 posted on 11/04/2010 9:27:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't skipper a boat, Can't drive, Can't ski, Can't fly. But they KNOW what's best!)
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To: AlexW

Wow.

You’re kind of asking for a fight implying that engineers and architects are not “professionals”, aren’t you?


22 posted on 11/04/2010 9:27:28 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WebFocus

Ping list


23 posted on 11/04/2010 9:29:54 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: battousai

Guess you havent heard. Youre elite tech jobs are gone. Outsourced. Try again in 10 years.


24 posted on 11/04/2010 9:32:02 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: WebFocus

Hey, one can get a lib arts degree, then go into “public service” as a congress-felon or a senate-felon and make millions.

At least for a while.

Their time is coming.


25 posted on 11/04/2010 9:37:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: wku man

RE: Anyone wanting to go into radio, don’t waste your time with a broadcasting degree. Start out as a part-time board operator, learn the biz, and move up the ladder. But don’t expect to ever earn much more than a living wage, if even that.


I actually heard Sean Hannity say something similar. But then what does he know... he’s just a millionaire who should be taxed more.


26 posted on 11/04/2010 9:40:09 AM PDT by WebFocus
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To: WebFocus

This study’s definitely full of it. How does an English major even expect to get a job, much less one paying $34K since he’s competing with the HS dropouts at McDonald’s?


27 posted on 11/04/2010 9:43:01 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: WayneS

“You’re kind of asking for a fight implying that engineers and architects are not “professionals”, aren’t you?”

My God..I never said any such thing.
Many professionals generally start college in liberal arts. At least it was that way when I went to school in the 60s.
My brother had four years of liberal arts before entering
med school.


28 posted on 11/04/2010 9:43:25 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Soothesayer9
Those of us that are having problems finding employement in the tech fields are creating our own jobs and businesses, so don't count us out just yet.

/johnny

29 posted on 11/04/2010 9:47:17 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: WebFocus

For some liberal arts graduates, the only thing between them and working the fryer is Americorps. Americorps is a repository for liberal arts graduates who have discovered they have graduated with no hirable skills to pay off their student loans.So maybe Uncle Sam will pay for their mistake with a makeshift work program.


30 posted on 11/04/2010 9:51:51 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: WebFocus

That they wrote that an “English” degree will get you $30k is ridiculous.

However, I know some English degree grads who make $100k+
...in REAL ESTATE and BANKING jobs!


31 posted on 11/04/2010 9:52:32 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: WebFocus

Such information is useless to college students. Sure Engineers and Computer Science pay the most, but 80% to 90% of college students do not have the skills nor knowledge to major in these areas. Besides havingto have a thorough mathmatical knowledge base, they have to paas such courses as Thermodynamics and Structures and the overwhelmingly majority ofd college students cannot even handle basic algebra nor calculus.

Whwen I was in undergrad “everyone” was Pre-med. 97.5% couldn’t handle the science courses, so they became engineering majors, 95% of them could handle the math and engineering courses so they switched to business. Business majors were required to pass Calc I and Calc II before they were accepted in the college fo business. 80% didn’t have the math skills so they majored in liberal arts. then realizing they had a useless degree and believeing a college degree entitled them to a big salary they went to law school.

Engineering and Computer Science pay well because they weed out students and only those who can master the curriculum graduate in those disciplines, not like liberal arts where it is all feel good PC junk, you deserve a degree and big bucks because you have a college degree mentality without being challenged nor working for it. The majority of liberal arts majors have no business in college at all.

Linkedin.com used to be a good business networking resource. Now it is a professional’s version of Facebook combined with Monster.com.


32 posted on 11/04/2010 9:53:37 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

And my spelling/typos stinks, aka didn’t major in english LOL


33 posted on 11/04/2010 9:55:02 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: Soothesayer9
Guess you havent heard. Youre elite tech jobs are gone. Outsourced. Try again in 10 years.

Wait then what the heck am I doing sitting here at work, did I miss the memo, dang it! ;)

Don't take my little quip to heart so much, it's just the joke we always had when in university, just a friendly rivalry between the sciences/engineering and arts faculties :). Hey you know the arts faculties always had the hotter girls so we lost out too ok!

Ok more seriously, don't fall for the hype, sure maybe the mind numb robot jobs have been outsourced such as help desk work (I can say it cause I did it at one time :P) and low level programming and such, but the real tech service industry is thriving, a close friend is co-owner of a multimillion dollar tech consulting business and they are extremely busy as are all other such businesses here.

And there is no let up as far as we can see, and I have been working in the tech field for the last 15 years with no down time at all. Of course this is up here in Canada, but I don't think its any different down there form what I see with colleagues from the US also in the tech industry.

Its also no different for the more engineering oriented side, the business I work for is involved in it all from a construction/engineering aspect working with the automotive industry to nuclear power and no matter how bad the times we have still turned a profit and been busy and we operate both in the US and Canada. In fact our US operations have been even more profitable than up here for the last couple of years.

So the study is correct, tech and engineering jobs are still more secure. But apparently the top of the scale would be whatever degree you require to carry out these studies... seems they do the best out of all of us :)
34 posted on 11/04/2010 9:55:41 AM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: MichiganConservative

just don’t fail out of pharmacy and want to use your anthropology degree! hey buddy, spare a dime?


35 posted on 11/04/2010 9:55:41 AM PDT by Docbarleypop
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To: antiRepublicrat

RE: How does an English major even expect to get a job


I know a lot of English majors who work at magazine or publishing companies. A few work as writers of user’s manuals ( they’d have to learn some technology to do that ). Some lucky ones even get to be script writers.

Others have to get their education certificate in order to teach. I also know of some teaching English as a Second language (the adventurous ones go to China, South Korea or Japan, where English instructors are in demand and lots of foreigners are teaching in sprouting language schools).

Of course, such jobs were available during the good times. Now, you’re right, they’d be lucky to work at retail stores, supermarkets or food chains.


36 posted on 11/04/2010 9:55:51 AM PDT by WebFocus
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To: Noamie

And I know english majors manning the cash register during the summer at Disney.


37 posted on 11/04/2010 9:58:12 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost; antiRepublicrat

Not all Liberal Arts majors are Feel Good junk. English is a hard major if its taught rigorously.


38 posted on 11/04/2010 10:02:18 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Soothesayer9

RE: Guess you havent heard. Youre elite tech jobs are gone. Outsourced. Try again in 10 years.


Not really true. I am a Microsoft .NET/C#/ASP.NET/C# Software Developer and have been employed and doing well even during this downturn ( and many companies will not even consider sponsoring someone with just an H1B visa, they want PERMANENT RESIDENTS or CITIZENS ).

At work, I often get calls from recruiters desperately in need of software development skills, the Core Java, J2EE, C++ type of people ( not necessarily Microsoft ).

The problem as I see it, is this -— Companies expect you to be a real EXPERT or MASTER at the technology they SPECIFICALLY WANT.

So, it’s just not a matter of being a Computer Science graduate for instance, it’s also a matter today of mastering and getting experience in a SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY that is IN-DEMAND.

As an example -— in the 1990’s a PowerBuilder developer would be paid a premium for his skills. Today, no one even wants to talk to you no matter how good you are with PowerBuilder. That product is no longer in use.

Same is true with an operating system -— OpenVMS. That OS was great during the mid to late 80’s up to the early 1990’s, but since DEC ( it’s original maker ), was subsumed into COMPAQ and later HP, very few companies use them anymore and your skills in that product will not get you anywhere, even if you have a Computer Science degree and 15 years of work experience.

THE MORAL FOR A TECHNOLOGY CAREER: ALWAYS STAY CURRENT. COLLEGE WILL ONLY GET YOU SO FAR....


39 posted on 11/04/2010 10:04:06 AM PDT by WebFocus
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To: Borges

True, if taught rigorously.


40 posted on 11/04/2010 10:06:18 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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