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What's Next: Dow 12,000 or Dow 10,000?
Seeking Alpha ^ | 10-24-2010 | David Sterman

Posted on 10/24/2010 7:12:13 AM PDT by blam

What's Next: Dow 12,000 or Dow 10,000?

StreetAuthority
By David Sterman
October 24, 2010

Four years ago this week, the Dow Jones Industrial Average hit an important milestone: 12,000. A year later, in October 2007, the venerable index moved past 14,000. But by October 2008, headlines blared "Dow 8,000" before eventually bottoming at 7,200 in March of 2009. A furious rebound has the Dow back on the rise, surging +54% in the past 19 months to a recent 11,100.

A continued march back to 12,000 is no sure thing, as serious headwinds remain, leading some to expect we'll see "Dow 10,000" before "Dow 12,000." One thing's for sure: recent history tells us that the Dow is unlikely to stay put where it is right now.
Volatility is the name of the game these days, so let's look at three positive and three negative catalysts that could push or pull the Dow to the next milestone. Any of these factors may play out over the next six months.

The positive catalysts:

1. Sustained profit growth: Earnings season is off to a robust start. Thus far, more than 80% of companies that have reported have surpassed profit forecasts, according to Credit Suisse. This coming week will be crucial, as more than 150 companies in the S&P 500 will report results. How the market responds to what looks to be impressive earnings results will lead strategists to suggest whether the market can rally from here. Heading into Friday's trading, the Dow finished up in eight of the first 10 trading sessions of earnings season. The other impressive factor this earnings season is that sales are largely coming in ahead of forecasts for most companies, so this isn't simply about cost-cutting.

2. The beginning of the capital spending and hiring cycle: In past economic cycles, robust cost-cutting, which has then led to surging profits, has typically led to a fresh investment cycle in terms of equipment and jobs. This time around, it hasn't happened. The trauma of 2008 was so deep that chief financial officers have been wary of taking any risks. But history has also shown that companies tend to take action once they see rivals doing so. So it only takes one or two companies in any sector to announce robust expansion plans before others feel compelled to do so. And that creates a positive feedback loop as falling unemployment and higher spending on equipment stimulates the economy onto a higher plane. If this scenario comes to pass, we'll see Dow 12,000 pretty quickly, and begin talking about Dow 13,000.

3. The impact of the Fed's imminent Quantitative Easing: The robust market rebound in September and October is most likely due to an expected boost from the Fed, which reportedly plans to buy back hundreds of billions of dollars worth of U.S. Treasuries in a program dubbed "QE2." Proceeds from the bond sales would lead companies and consumers to deploy their cash elsewhere in the economy, hopefully stimulating growth. The S&P 500 has tacked on $1 trillion in value since late August when the plan was first floated, according to market strategist Ed Yardeni.

The negative catalysts:

1. QE2 doesn't work. The Fed's economy-boosting plans are no sure thing. Providing banks and businesses with more liquidity doesn't mean they'll actually put any new funds to use. Some believe that the Fed is "pushing on a string," using the wrong levers to get the economy going. In the context of that $1 trillion spike in the S&P companies' value, we could see that evaporate over the winter if QE2 proves unsuccessful. Moreover, the Fed would be printing so much more money that inflation hawks might get newly-spooked.

2. Massive public sector layoffs impede any rebound. State and local governments are in the process of shedding employees, and in some places, in very large numbers. Sometime in 2011, Washington may also decide to conduct widespread layoffs at the federal level as well. A steady reduction in unemployment is crucial for markets to power well higher, but if the private sector fails to create enough jobs to more than offset public sector layoffs, then rising unemployment may well take the Dow down below 10,000 once again.

3. An unexpected exogenous shock. This is always the wildcard, and the adage "expect the unexpected" applies. From the global currency crisis of 1998, to the events of September 11th, to the rapid collapse of major Wall Street firms in 2008, the market gets a severe jolt every few years that no one saw coming.
Right now, we can think of a few unsettling situations that can spiral out of control: China's aggressive moves to limit certain mineral exports could set off a trade war; the recent foreclosure mistakes by big banks could lead to a big hit to their income statements and balance sheets; government revenue could come in very weak in the upcoming tax season, leading to concerns of even higher deficits; several high-profile state or local governments could declare bankruptcy in light of their fiscal distress; and tensions in the Middle East could explode into violence, especially between Iran and Israel.

If I was a betting man on Dow 10,000 or Dow 12,000, I would simply step away from the gaming table. Stocks are not expensive and we may be on the cusp of a long-awaited investment cycle from corporate America. Then again, the market has recently rallied in part on an expected Fed program that may or may not help the economy.

In times like these, it makes sense to sell winners and hold higher levels of cash, as either a capital preservation tool or as a source of funds to buy if the market has a major pullback. But if you have a longer time horizon, the balance is clearly tilted in favor a more robust economy and higher stock markets, though the path from here to there may prove choppy.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dow; markets; sp; stocks
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1 posted on 10/24/2010 7:12:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

12,000 and then 8,500 within a year.


2 posted on 10/24/2010 7:13:29 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
12,000 and then 8,500 within a year.

You mean the republicans won't be able to rescue the DOW? Heretic!

3 posted on 10/24/2010 7:14:39 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: BenLurkin

18,000 Dow.
Come on, babe !

(actually, I’m out of the market...)


4 posted on 10/24/2010 7:15:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: blam
Stocks are not expensive and we may be on the cusp of a long-awaited investment cycle from corporate America

The underlying fundamentals of the market are terrible. Companies are laden with debt and outside of the giant tech companies and banks sitting on money then there isn't much to crow about here. QE II is a debasement of the currency which weakens the purchasing power of the consumer. Already we are seeing price increases in hard goods from commodity spikes. At some time soon earnings are going to take it in the shorts and the bubble bursts

5 posted on 10/24/2010 7:16:30 AM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: BenLurkin; blam
12,000 and then 8,500 within a year.

Why? Where's the money going into equities going to go?

6 posted on 10/24/2010 7:17:09 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: blam
The impact of the Fed's imminent Quantitative Easing:

There it is right there.

As long as the government prints money, the market will snap it up. Of course, in time, your money wont be worth that much...

7 posted on 10/24/2010 7:17:49 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: blam

If the republicans win big in November, I think you will see a short term rally and then a small pullback pending what Congress does on Bush Tax cuts. If those tax cut extensions are handled right, it will hit 12000 by years end.


8 posted on 10/24/2010 7:19:27 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: wmfights
Good question. Wherever it went to in 2008, and a lot of people would like to know the answer to that!
9 posted on 10/24/2010 7:21:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: wmfights

“Why? Where’s the money going into equities going to go?”

Mattresses.


10 posted on 10/24/2010 7:22:19 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

Bond funds.


11 posted on 10/24/2010 7:23:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: blam

DOW 12,000 then DOW 15,000, and probably DOW 20,000 by this time next year.

Of course, that’s in USD; if you valued it in EUR, it would be DOW 9000, then DOW 8000, then DOW 6500.

The DJIA will go up because the value of the USD will fall.


12 posted on 10/24/2010 7:23:41 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: blam

DOW 20,000 as QE devalues the dollar to worthlessness...


13 posted on 10/24/2010 7:24:02 AM PDT by piytar (There is evil. There is no such thing as moderate evil. Never forget.)
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To: traderrob6

I’m back where I started but behind two years, can you do that? Yeah........................


14 posted on 10/24/2010 7:28:49 AM PDT by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: misterrob

I agree. I think the stock market IS the next bubble.


15 posted on 10/24/2010 7:31:48 AM PDT by CommieCutter (A Centrist Democrat is now defined as: between Socialism and Communism.)
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To: piytar

A very real possibility.


16 posted on 10/24/2010 7:32:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: raybbr
You mean the republicans won't be able to rescue the DOW? Heretic!

Republican win is already priced in.
Buy the rumor. November 3, sell the news.
17 posted on 10/24/2010 7:33:07 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: CommieCutter

I don’t know alot of companies are sitting on huge amounts of cash not to mention all the money the fed has been printing. Companies with a pro bussiness congress will start spending and investing again. Once that starts see inflation skyrocket.


18 posted on 10/24/2010 7:49:10 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: blam
All the good news (decent if somewhat flaky earnings, the (mis)perception that the economy is rebounding, and a sizeable Democrat trouncing on 2 November) is already priced into the market. Probably OVERpriced in, come to think of it.

This election will be the biggest "sell the news" event in years, maybe decades. The HFT scandal-about-to-break will be gasoline on the fire.

19 posted on 10/24/2010 7:55:23 AM PDT by SAJ (Zerobama -- a phony and a prick, therefore a dildo.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Yes, indeedy. (see #19)


20 posted on 10/24/2010 7:56:32 AM PDT by SAJ (Zerobama -- a phony and a prick, therefore a dildo.)
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