Posted on 10/18/2010 9:10:24 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Those found guilty of crimes have their rights curtailed by law as prescribed by law. What's so difficult to understand?
What I mean by "having a seat at the table" is simply the ability to engage in civic life just like everyone else. Just like I believe you have the ability to engage in civic life and promote whatever agenda you wish to promote. Free marketplace of ideas.
Suppose 2% of the population decide they like necrophilia? Or bestiality? Should they "have a seat at the table" too? (You never did explain what you meant by that nice homey-sounding phrase...)
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Well said, lj.
Homosexuals already have all the protections and rights granted them to any other citizen in this country.
What they’re looking for is SPECIAL protections and rights and acceptance of their perverted lifestyle and ability to practice in the streets, not just the bedroom.
That’s where conservatives see the tactics and say *Enough* and that’s where libertarians show their support by demanding that they be given what they’re looking for.
By awarding homosexuals those privileges that they are demanding, it gives libertarians the freedom to demand that their types of immorality be able to be practiced openly and without consequence, and they be given special rights and protections as well.
Then you have a society with no moral basis, where every man and woman can do as he chooses with no restrictions.
The result is logically and inevitably, anarchy.
He NEVER answers any questions put to him, never states where he stands on an issue. Just constantly harasses with questions and innuendos and acts like he’s smarter than everyone else.
You can read his posting history and see it all there in black and white.
Oh, yes it is my d@mn business when it comes out of the bedroom and into the streets and gets flaunted in my face with demands that I not only have to accept it being done in public but that I accept it period.
The whole homosexual agenda stuff started with the line of *What is done in the bedroom is nobody else's business* but since that they they've made it everybody else's business.
When what they do goes beyond just them and WE have to live with the consequences of their behavior, it becomes our d@mn business.
It becomes our d@mn business because homosexuals are the #1 molesters of children.
It becomes our d@mn business when disease spread primarily through the gay community is running rampant through society.
It becomes our d@mn business when our taxes are paying for the extortionate health care of keeping alive someone who has contracted AIDS through that lifestyle.
The biggest lie going that the homosexual community puts forth is that what they do is nobody else's business because it doesn't affect them.
The unbelievable irony in all this is that when it comes to schools spying on kids through school issued laptops (Does the term Lower Merion ring any bells?) that the kids had no choice about accepting, you were there backing up the school 100%. It was all the parents fault for not keeping the school from spying on the kids, the school had every right to, yada, yada, yada.
And now here you're purporting to be some kind of anti-big-government advocate? You?
IIRC, you admitted to being an IT person who worked FOR a school district. Ironic that someone who's anti-big-government would be willing to earn their living off of it.
Oh really? How was that you were able to post before JR set up the site??
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Jim Robinson Since Nov 28, 1997
We should trust you when you can't even keeps your facts straight?
“Engage in civic life just like everyone else”.
You are deft in avoiding specifics. In fact, that is one of your methods.
Do you mean to say that homosexuals are not or were not allowed in movie theaters? Had to sit at the back of the bus? Use different drinking fountains? Weren’t or are not allowed to vote?
Or do you mean serve in the military, marry people of the same sex, adopt children, wear the opposite sex attire and demand to use the opposite sex bathrooms?
And a whole lot more.
Sounds as though you want open homosexual behavior in society forced upon everyone. If it were not forced upon everyone, people would have the choice to NOT hire a homosexual for a day care teacher or church organist (or anything else), NOT rent a room to one in their house or apartment building, and NOT have to serve in the military with them. And be forced to give children to homosexuals for foster care and adoption. All these have and are happening as we speak. Sounds like a loss of freedom to me!
Sounds as though you want to take those choices away from people.
FR's main mission is activism. This is one of the areas where libertarians show their colors. It is our business and FR's goal is to work against agendas such as the homosexuals. Libertarians play ostrich.
Truthfully, I wouldn't allow libertarians on my site. They are not conservatives and they work to undermine activism.
Not to mention what’s going on in our public schools.
Precisely, if it was just done in the privacy of the bedroom WE WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT! The reality is that WE DO KNOW ABOUT IT, this means that the sodomites have made it our business.
Another point - so if a person has not committed a crime, everything else is okay?
Well, until the SCOTUS took away the states’ rights to make their own laws about homosexual acts (and many other rights over the years), homosexual acts were considered a crime in many places!
But no, homosexual activists including people like yourself stood by and lauded the SCOTUS decision in the name of “freedom”.
Yeah... I don't think people having hetero-sex in public is any more acceptable, but once you start writing "morality" laws, it never stops there.
Tell it to Rome.
You mean the Rome that fell apart after a long series of out of control tyrants?
I'm having a wonderful day, thank you...
Excellent points, metmom! All true. And will no likely be ignored by those pushing the homosexual agenda on this thread.
That is the huge difference between libertine and libertarian.
In a libertarian society, you don't have to accept them. You don't have to do business with them. You can opt out of the private schools and contract with someone else to teach your children. You don't have to hire them. You aren't forced to sell them your property or rent to them.
The Market decides. Not you. Not some gay activist. Not some liberal judge. Not some bureaucrat.
As for who is lying, there is plenty of that on both sides of that argument.
It's clear that some have attempted here to, at the very least, excuse or deny that agenda, and some have even aggressively promoted it. Imho, neither is acceptable, as both accomplish the same outcome.
Please answer these questions, then.
Should homoesxuals be permitted to serve in the military, either in a DADT or "open" capacity? Please explain your viewpoint to both.
Should homosexuals be teachers in public schools, and if so, should they be permitted the freedom to let the kids know they are homosexual, and to talk about it?
Should homosexuals be allowed to have clubs in schools and counsel the kids about homosexuality?
Should sex-ed in schools teach kids about homosexuality?
Should two people of the same sex be allowed to marry each other?
Should people be forced to hire homosexuals or rent rooms or apartments to them if they would rather not?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
It is very amusing to me that you can't see the difference.
BTW... I no longer work for the school district. They got caught in the NCLB net as a failing school and couldn't afford to pay me any more. The Principal, and several other high dollar staffers, also were cut.
I'm back in the private sector and making about $10k more than I was at the District.
Way to try and fire up the ad hominem though. I guess when none of your other arguments hold water, you end up digging into old tricks...
We sure do. Less government. More freedom. More personal responsibility.
Sorry if folks like you just want to change out the socialist commies for your own version of the Nanny State. But face up to facts... You don't want smaller government, you just want bigger government YOUR way...
Au contraire, I have a healthy interest in preventing the mentally ill, with sexual fetishes, not be allowed to influence my life or the lives of other people.
It’s that simple.
As has been said a gazillion times, if they kept their nasty business private, no one would know or care.
But since that horse left the bard in the early 70s, we don’t live in that world any more. Time to bring back the privacy you so loftily prate about!
Oh, and this - do you think our country was Local Tyranny for the almost two centuries during which local and state laws against homosexual acts were on the books and even enforced? Were they Nanny Staters too? Was Jefferson a Nanny Stater because he was fine with outlawing sodomy?
Please anser the question.
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