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To: OneWingedShark

Are any orders lawful in the military, since Obama’s coronation?

If not then all orders are unlawful since Obama’s inauguration.

Since most here support Lakin, doesn’t it follow that all good soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines and coast guardsmen should likewise simply stop following all of their orders, too—since all orders are unlawful?

Why limit it to the military? Are my federal taxes lawful? Federal immigration laws lawful?

IOW do federal laws operate the same way as military orders?

Don’t the departments and agencies which write federal regulations, and enforce them derive their “authority” from the President?

Can I now grow and sell marijuana, since the federal statute against same is unlawful because Obama is not qualified to be President? (setting aside the state laws, for the purpose of discussion)


325 posted on 10/14/2010 2:45:16 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
>Since most here support Lakin, doesn’t it follow that all good soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines and coast guardsmen should likewise simply stop following all of their orders, too—since all orders are unlawful?

Yes, they should do so. It would effectively leave the country w/o an Armed Force until the issue was properly resolved.
If the government didn't want such a strike then they shouldn't have allowed things to progress to such a point.

>Why limit it to the military? Are my federal taxes lawful*? Federal immigration laws lawful?
>
>IOW do federal laws operate the same way as military orders?

No. Federal Law does not operate in the same manner; elsewise what would be the purpose of a Legislature whose whole existence is the making and altering of laws?

*There are a lot of reasons that one could argue that many of the Federal taxes are unlawful. In the instance of the income tax... consider this: The Supreme Court has declared that the Constitutional prohibition against Ex Post Facto laws applied *ONLY* to criminal laws; the income tax laws may be changed in a retroactive (Ex Post Facto) manner because "they are regulatory and not criminal" laws; violations of that so-called non-criminal law are prosecuted in CRIMINAL court.
IWO, the current system of tax laws violates the Constitution and is therefore not legal.

>Don’t the departments and agencies which write federal regulations, and enforce them derive their “authority” from the President?

No, they usually derive their power from [laws passed by] the Congress; in some cases they derive directly from the Constitution: the INS, for example, is responsible for executing the "uniform Rule of Naturalization" the Constitution mentions that the Congress is to make/maintain. The ATF has its roots in the 18th Amendment which said "The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Though there are indeed a great many federal regulations/agencies which have no Constitutional justification whatsoever: the Department of Energy, the Department of Labor, the ATF (we repealed *ALL* of the 18th Amendment!!), the Department of Agriculture, the FDA....

>Can I now grow and sell marijuana, since the federal statute against same is unlawful because Obama is not qualified to be President? (setting aside the state laws, for the purpose of discussion)

There is no Amendment allowing the [Fed] Government to regulate Marijuana; when alcohol was a prohibited substance WE NEEDED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT! So, insofar as the Constitution is concerned, the Federal Government has no business whatsoever in declaring that Marijuana is 'prohibited.'

329 posted on 10/14/2010 3:51:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: truth_seeker

That is exactly why the Constitution needs to be followed and the SC needs to take seriously the requirements thereof because the country is breaking down because of all the fraud in the legal system. For instance, the 16th did not have enough votes to pass so the Solicitor General just counted a few extra states that came in after the expiration date so he could get it passed. The 17th required a unanimous vote according to the Constitution, no problem the Solicitor General just marked it passed. So you are right, you should not be paying taxes because of the fraud, but neither has there been a law passed legally since the 17th was declared passed. You cannot declare things passed that are not unless you have thugs. And, we have lots of them.


335 posted on 10/14/2010 4:39:03 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: truth_seeker
And Never mind Obamas birth certificate.... where the hell are Barny Franks teeth?

After November, I want a full investigation.

While were at it, where is Nancy Pelosis brain? Its not a trick question. I need some honest answers.

372 posted on 10/14/2010 7:43:42 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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