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and all infants wheresoever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was, a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this commonwealth, until they relinquish that character in manner as herein after expressed: And all others not being citizens of any the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens

The Minor case affirms this general principle too (something Rogers won't want to hear).

"Looking at the Constitution itself we find that it was ordained and established by "the people of the United States," [n3] and then going further back, we find that these were the people of the several States that had before dissolved the political bands which connected them with Great Britain ...

"Whoever, then, was one of the people of either of these States when the Constitution of the United States was adopted, became ipso facto a citizen -- a member of the nation created by its adoption. He was one of the persons associating together to form the nation, and was, consequently, one of its original citizens. As to this there has never been a doubt. Disputes have arisen as to whether or not certain persons or certain classes of persons were part of the people at the time, but never as to their citizenship if they were.

"Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization."

Citizenship was resevered by those who declared their independence to Britain. The only way to add to that citizenship is birth or naturalization, which implies you had to be born to one of these citizens or naturalized if you were from another country. Thereafter, the children born to naturalized citizens could be born citizens. Rogers already says "Minor did NOT suggest just that a NBC might need citizen parents, but any degree of citizenship might." Therefore it would be impossible to add citizenship by birth to anyone but those born of the original citizens, natural born citizens or naturalized citizens. The bottom line is that to be a citizen by birth PRIOR to the 14th amendment, you needed to be born to citizen parents which is how Minor and WKA both defined natural born citizenship. Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization.

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Rogers & jamese will never give up the ghost. To prove Obama was natural born regardless of the soil he was born on, they would have to prove that the 14th changed the meaning of the text of A2 & there is NO case law that does that. Because Congress may have “deemed” someone to be a citizen or as in McCaint’s case a natural born citizen, does not make it so in the eyes of the laws on the books & the congressional records to back it up.

I did some more digging into court cases last night & interestingly enough, ALL the latest ones on citizenship only cite from the 14th “all persons born”, they neglect to cite “subject to the jurisdiction” so what doe that say as to the credibility of our current court system? It is highly corrupt & is due for an overhaul!