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To: jamese777
Vattel is “obscure” on issues involving national citizenship and he was “an acknowledged expert” on issues of INTERNATIONAL law as applied to the relationships between nations

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U.S. Supreme Court
New Jersey v. Delaware, 291 U.S. 361 (1934)

So by that statement, you are admitting that NJ & DE are INTERNATIONAL states? ROFL, what this clearly shows is that the states were still considered sovereign nations that bound themselves together by the contract known as the US Constitution. Therefore, Vattel is extremely important. English feudal law was for a Monarchy where sovereignty resides in but one person, the King. In the US, sovereignty is not in the federal govt or the president, it is in the people of the states whom the government is to serve, not rule.

Oh jamese, you fail miserably at every click of the keyboard.

2,702 posted on 10/27/2010 9:24:21 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

Uh-em.....

U.S. Supreme Court
New Jersey v. Delaware, 291 U.S. 361 (1934)

So by that statement, you are admitting that NJ & DE are INTERNATIONAL states? ROFL, what this clearly shows is that the states were still considered sovereign nations that bound themselves together by the contract known as the US Constitution. Therefore, Vattel is extremely important. English feudal law was for a Monarchy where sovereignty resides in but one person, the King. In the US, sovereignty is not in the federal govt or the president, it is in the people of the states whom the government is to serve, not rule.

Oh jamese, you fail miserably at every click of the keyboard.


“Failing” with you or any other birther is of absolutely no concern to me.

Emer deVattel is SO tremendously important that in the nearly 75 attempts, poor old Emer deVattel’s writings and views have not been persuasive with a single judge or panel of judges that has looked into the Obama eligibility issue.

DeVattel carries so much historical legal weight that in the one year and ten months since Chief Justice John Roberts administered the oath of office to Barack Obama, the name “Emer deVattel” has NEVER been mentioned on the floor of the House of Representatives or in the well of the US Senate. This in spite of the fact that the House Of Representatives allows “Special Orders” speeches on a nightly basis when Congress members can address ANY issue of concern to the American people. Go figure.

Emer deVattel is SO important that when Republican House Leader John Boehner and Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell both invited President Obama to meet with their respective caucuses for questions and answers, the name “deVattel” was invoked ZERO times in questions to Obama.

Real, true, patriotic Americans are loath to depend on the points of view of foreigners for their legal points of view.

As for me, I’ll see your Swiss law professor and raise you James Madison: “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”—Congressman James Madison, May 22, 1789
Madison’s Papers 12:179—82


2,706 posted on 10/27/2010 10:12:22 AM PDT by jamese777
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