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To: patlin

“... it became sufficient to be a citizen if one were merely born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.”

You disagree? What do YOU think the requirements are, then? I thought Mario was actually making sense there. What is the secret decoder that allows a different meaning to the 14th Amendment?


2,668 posted on 10/26/2010 5:57:20 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When an ass brays, don't reply)
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To: Mr Rogers
You disagree? What do YOU think the requirements are, then? I thought Mario was actually making sense there. What is the secret decoder that allows a different meaning to the 14th Amendment?

Yes, I disagree whole heartily. The entire gist of the 14th falls on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction”. It does not mean mere local & temp obedience to the law as was argued in WKA in defense & reliance on feudal law as it doesn't matter where one goes in the world & what country they are in, they still owe obedience to the laws. This has been the international law of nature & nations going back to Adam & Eve and has been a constant ever since. So, in interpreting the 14th, what does it mean? The “oath” that all took at the founding & the oath that every naturalized person takes before actually becoming citizens has given us the answer to that phrase since the countries founding.

“subject to the jurisdiction” has many meaning in law & government & from the beginning of time, children owed obedience to parents who are responsible for making sure those children learn the law & obey it & if the child breaks the law, the parents are liable and there are MANY court cases throughout the history of the US to prove that fact. If as those who say that birth & citizenship go hand in hand no matter the nationality of the parent, then according to that feudal law, the government is the parent & should be held responsible for the disobedience of the child.

But one wouldn't know this unless they truly studied the same curriculum as the founders now would they? Right now I am studying Algernon Sidney. He was a highly decorated & respected British soldier & philosopher on the law of nature & nations. He was executed in 1683 for his writings & profound lectures on republicanism & life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. Although he never broke any laws or actually started any uprising, his speech was held to be a traitorous act towards the King. You will find that Jefferson oft quotes Sidney in his writings and he also gave credit to Sidney for some of the phrasing he used in the Declaration of Independence.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=223&Itemid=28

2,669 posted on 10/26/2010 6:31:03 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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