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To: Mr Rogers; butterdezillion
You are way toooo late. I saw legal.com early this morning long before Ms. Rogers was serving tea for you, oh--- I forgot this gives you a reason to run back to the mods and be a cry-baby, sorry!

I have no idea what “Please don’t blow the flour out of your mouth at the same time!!!” means. Care to explain it?

I wouldn't expect your great intellect would understand a well known saying from the "old" country. Meaning a lying and distorting person is like someone who has his/her mouth full of white flour and want to speak and blow at same time, which is impossible, LOL!!

Now remember to spit out the flour before speaking:....!!!

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen In defining what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is, we do not seek to read into the Constitution that which was not intended and written there by the Framers. Despite popular belief, the Fourteenth Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text nor in its intent. Some add an implication to the actual wording of the Fourteenth Amendment by equating the amendment’s “citizen” to Article II’s “natural born Citizen.” But nowhere does the 14th Amendment confer “natural born citizen” status. The words simply do not appear there, but some would have us believe they are implied. But the wording of the Amendment is clear in showing that it confers citizenship only and nothing more.

The intent and purpose of the amendment was to provide equal citizenship to all Americans either born on U.S. soil or naturalized therein and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It does not grant “natural born Citizen” status. It only confers “citizen” status, as that is the exact word used by the Amendment itself and that is the same word that appears in Article I, II, III, and IV of the Constitution. It just conveys the status of “citizen,” and as we learned from how the Framers handled the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795, being a “citizen” does not necessarily mean that one is a “natural born Citizen.”

The Fourteenth Amendment only tells us who may become members of the community called the United States, i.e., those born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are U.S. citizens. The amendment was needed because under Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1856), slaves and their descendents, whether free or not, were not considered as being members of that community even though born on U.S. soil and unlike the American Indians subject to the jurisdiction thereof. But the amendment only allowed these slaves and their descendents to become a member of the U.S. community by making them U.S. citizens. Once those persons or anybody else (e.g. Wong Kim Ark) so became a member of the U.S. community (became a U.S. citizen by birth on U.S. soil or through naturalization), then that person could join with another U.S. citizen and procreate a child on U.S. soil who would then be an Article II "natural born Citizen."

Hence, during the Founding, the original citizens created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President. Their posterity would be the "natural born Citizens" who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These “natural born Citizens,” born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.

Subsequently, a “natural born Citizen” was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. citizen) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. citizens or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. citizen to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II “natural born Citizen.”

After the Fourteenth Amendment, it became sufficient to be a citizen if one were merely born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. That U.S. citizen would then procreate with another similarly created U.S citizen and produce a “natural born Citizen.”

As we can see, becoming a U.S. citizen is only the first step in the process of creating a “natural born Citizen.” The second step is the two U.S citizens procreating a child on U.S. soil. It is these “natural born Citizens” who can someday be President or Vice President of the United States. Stated differently, a President must be a second generation American citizen by both U.S. citizen parents. A Senator or Representative can be a first generation American citizen by naturalization or birth. It is the extra generation carried by a President which assures the American people that he/she is born with attachment and allegiance only to the United States.

The issue of what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote “natural born Citizen” into Article II is surely ripe for the U.S. Supreme Court to determine. The issue is one of first impression and the Supreme Court needs to decide it. The national security and survival of the United States as conceived by the Founders are at stake. Because of the utter failure of our political and media institutions to give proper and honest attention to this issue, only the highest court in the land can now come to the aid of the Kerchner plaintiffs and We the People.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

2,653 posted on 10/26/2010 4:34:57 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco; rolling_stone

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. ...now THERE is a lawyer to cite!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK. Let me know when he wins one of these cases. In the meantime, it seems courts have concluded that WKA DID provide a definition of NBC...you just don’t like the outcome.

“I wouldn’t expect your great intellect would understand a well known saying from the “old” country.”

My family came from the “old country” in 1721. I guess we forgot some of the ‘old ways’.

“Then you missed his photos in full combat gear, especially with Knee-Pads on he has never taken off, more LOL!!!”

I’m not ashamed of spending my 49th birthday in Afghanistan. As best anyone could tell, I was the oldest guy on the FOB - where I spent the vast majority of my time. I also patrolled the skies over Iraq, and was getting shot at when most Americans had no idea any shooting was taking place. You can call that shameful, but I’m glad I did it.

And it was because I deployed so often that I despise those who refuse to deploy, particularly on the stupid grounds that refusing will somehow gain access to Obama’s birth certificate and show he was born in Kenya. That is why I first started posting on these threads - although I’ll give Lakin credit for having the courage of his convictions. Unlike the birthers who post a lot, but continue to obey all those laws illegally signed by an impostor president since 20 Jan 2009. If you believe Lakin is right, then you should join with him and publicly refuse to obey any law signed by Obama...


2,659 posted on 10/26/2010 5:28:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When an ass brays, don't reply)
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To: danamco
After the Fourteenth Amendment, it became sufficient to be a citizen if one were merely born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. That U.S. citizen would then procreate with another similarly created U.S citizen and produce a “natural born Citizen.”

Mario lost credibility when he wrote those 2 sentences. The 14th grants no such citizenship per the framers of the amendment via congressional records. If Mario put those opinions of his in any of his court docs, he undermined his entire pleading.

2,660 posted on 10/26/2010 5:29:28 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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