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To: Vendome

james777:
You are a crackpot. Vattel was relied on heavily for Virginia and the U.S. Constitution.

I suspect you know this but you want to marginalize the inspiration for our laws to draw people to your side.

It may work for lazy people but our documents and laws all have extant at their creation an influence or evolution of prior knowledge or work.

Vattel is one of them.


“Crackpot?” I plead guilty as charged, your honor!

If and when an actual 21st Century court of law (at any level of the judiciary from a magistrate court to the Supreme Court of the United States) rules that Vattel has historical constitutional relevance, I’ll be won over to your side. Until then...not so much.

Oh for the good old days when conservatives were originalists and strict constructionists and were loath to depend on international law to interpret the law of OUR republic. But today, some conservatives have become constitutional liberals and want the legal theories of a Swiss law professor to determine the meaning of our Constitution.


2,601 posted on 10/26/2010 9:25:26 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777; STARWISE; Las Vegas Ron; Red Steel; Jim Robinson

“It will be found in Black:s Reports, vol. 2, page 667, &c. In that decision Justice Grier says:

“They claim to be in arms to establish their liberty and independence, in order to become a sovereign State, while the sovereign party treats them as insurgents and rebels, who owe allegiance, and who should be punished with death for their treason.”

That he states to be their status. Then he goes on to quote Vattel:

<” A civil war,7 says Vattel, ‘breaks the bands of society and government, or at least suspends their force and effect; it produces in the nation two independent parties, who consider each other as enemies, and acknowledge no common judge. These two parties therefore, must necessarily be considered as constituting, at least for a time, two separate bodies, two distinct societies.”

DEBATES

OF THE

CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION

OF THE

STATE OF MARYLAND,

Assembled at the City of Annapolis, Wednesday, April 27,1864:

BEING A FULL AND COMPLETE REPORT OF THE DEBATES AND PROCEED-
INGS OF THE CONVENTION, TOGETHER WITH THE OLD CONSTI-
TUTION, THE LAW UNDER WHICH THE CONVENTION
ASSEMBLED, AND THE NEW CONSTITUTION.

Official:
WM. BLAIR LORD, Reporter—HENRY M. PARKHURST, Assistant.

Time for another Troll Tax. “Vattel an obscure writer.”(jamese777)

We know your agenda. Prop up an illegal Obama and discredit Vattel because of natural born citizen and born to a citizen father stated in Vattels Law of Nations.


2,648 posted on 10/26/2010 3:56:42 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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