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To: patlin; Mr Rogers
Do you NOT know how to read?

"with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers"

Mr Rogers, YOU put these words in bold, NOT me. Thank you for qualifying my position that the 14th EXCLUDES children born to any foreigner, whether a minister of the govt of that foreign nation or not.

Do YOU not know how to read? It doesn't say "children of foreigners." It says "children of foreign sovereigns."

A "sovereign," in case you're unfamiliar with the word, is a ruler. A monarch, a king, etc. Not any ordinary resident alien. Hence "their ministers." The ministers of the sovereign.

This is made further clear by the clause immediately prior that Rogers quoted, but you cut out, where it affirms birth citizenship "including all children here born of resident aliens."

2,123 posted on 10/25/2010 2:07:37 AM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC
A sovereign only refers to a nation? I think it is YOU who is the uneducated & ignorant one...

Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 419 1793 , Chief Justice John Jay:

[T]he sovereignty of the nation is in the people of the nation, and the residuary sovereignty of each State in the people of each State… [A]t the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects…]

Care to refute the Supreme Court? Where do you suppose the government derives its power from if it is not from the sovereign people who formed the states and who then formed the nation. Or are you so ignorant that you think it happenned the other way around.

2,127 posted on 10/25/2010 2:33:03 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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